Corona virus

Anyone watch the podcast with Joe Rogan and Michael Osterman (leading disease expert)? They pretty much go clear a lot of the misinformation and more on the virus.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Also, you should know me well enough by now to know that I don't scare easily. I sometimes wonder if that's a disability of some sort, similar to analgesia.

It's not a disability itself, but can be a symptom of some mental/neurological disorders. It's one of the symptoms of Autism that I exhibit. For example I was in the hospital about a month ago and was told I had cancer, but I was more worried that they might give me something for lunch that I wouldn't like.

https://9gag.com/gag/am5QQPX

these guys are the real heroes we need!

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The_Scourge wrote:

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Boem wrote:

And calling it quick when they imprisoned somebody for warning about the virus three weeks before it became apparent because he talked poorly about the party also seems grin worthy.

Peace,

-Boem-

Spoiler

Wuhan's dealing with it is going to seem very quick in a year, Boem. It should already do so. I agree that it was far from flawless: the complete denial of the issue and the martyrdom of the very person who tried to warn them was absolutely reprehensible. If you check my older posts, which you no doubt won't, you'll see I was clearly condemning China's political handling of it. I still think they lied about the numbers. They were all terrified of pissing off Xi who could, if given the bad news, just take it out on them. That's the culture they have over there.

BUT when Wuhan mobilised, it did so with extreme alacrity. They were building hospitals purely for Covid-19 patients in a matter of days. That's what happens when a communist regime decides to do something and tells its people 'DO IT' because they have no choice. And that's the flipside of this fear-driven culture that caused China to react so late: the people are so afraid of the authorities they do what they're told. I can't say if the latter evens out the former. I just know that when China took Covid-19 seriously, they took measures to contain it that other countries can now only envy.

It was never going to be fully contained and you know it. That's not the world we live in. The moment it was identified in Wuhan we all knew it was going to be global. We didn't expect it to be bad because we fooled ourselves and said, well, that's China. Poor health standards, communist society, very packed living. Of course it ripped through them. Us? We'll get a handful of cases probably.

How fucking naive we were.

And yeah, I'm dramatic. I admit it seems like I'm overreacting. But ask yourself: what is the cost of overreacting vs the cost of underreacting?

Some holes in your assesment.

1) china didn't react, the WHO and CDC reacted and put public pressure on the party and by extension xi.
There is a reason why i mentioned the doctor being jailed event, the arcticles weren't some random accident and neither was the response after those types of articles being released.


2) china's response when they did react was fast and propper, but your easily dancing over the fact they are the starting line of many of the supply chaines when it comes to medical tech.

Unlike most country's which you seem to be condemning implicitly, they don't simply have a bunch of masks available which were promised delivery's to other country's which you can just selfishly drop and redirect in-house.

It would be like saying that country's suck at handling oil when tomorrow russia/iran and the saudi's horded all their oil for own consumption.

I would call that a failed analysis and semi-uselles.

The country's that have the available tools to combat this situation will utilize them themselves and this will put other country's at risk, that's how the system operates.

Peace,

-Boem-

China better start helping out Europe. I remember plenty of countries sending it aid in February, time to return the favor.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

China better start helping out Europe. I remember plenty of countries sending it aid in February, time to return the favor.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-respirators/china-sends-medical-supplies-experts-to-help-italy-battle-coronavirus-idUSKBN2101IM

I don't know if purchasing all toilet paper in sight is some sort of modern instinct or something when there is a crisis but I'd really like it stop. I don't want to have to travel farther away because some (literal)asshole decided to buy out the whole shelf.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I don't know if purchasing all toilet paper in sight is some sort of modern instinct or something when there is a crisis but I'd really like it stop. I don't want to have to travel farther away because some (literal)asshole decided to buy out the whole shelf.

=^[.]^=

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I don't know if purchasing all toilet paper in sight is some sort of modern instinct or something when there is a crisis but I'd really like it stop. I don't want to have to travel farther away because some (literal)asshole decided to buy out the whole shelf.

You can still use the shower if you got the toilet next to it.

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The_Scourge wrote:

It was never going to be fully contained and you know it. That's not the world we live in. The moment it was identified in Wuhan we all knew it was going to be global. We didn't expect it to be bad because we fooled ourselves and said, well, that's China. Poor health standards, communist society, very packed living. Of course it ripped through them. Us? We'll get a handful of cases probably.

How fucking naive we were.

I think this is an apt assessment. I'll admit it describes my initial misconceptions on the epidemic rather well.

About three weeks ago, I started to realize I was, well, fucking naive. Not necessarily the part about China mismanaging the initial containment — I still believe that — but the notion that it mattered whether China did or not. There are some fights you'll lose even if you make no mistakes. Not that I'm sure that's what happened, but that we don't know whether China could have contained it, nor whether anyone else can.

Because I was naive initially, I'm hesitant to double-down on any layman's opinion I might have. The only opinion I am confident of is that this will not be the end of our species, or even of our way of life. The worst case scenario is that we permanently add an additional virus to our list of yearly Pandemics, which currently include influenza and the common cold. The worst case scenario is that a greater percentage, going from 0.01% to just under 0.1%, of our least healthy people die off each year. (Initially, this percentage may be higher, but long-term you can't kill an unhealthy person twice.) Even the worst case scenario would have COVID-19 killing less people per year than drug overdoses or drunk driving or obesity. People will get some yearly vaccine that won't be effective by the next year, just like they do for influenza now, and life will go on.

And yet we have people hoarding toilet paper as if it's the End Times.

All joking aside, I get why Charan is pissed. This pandemic has a high probability of killing him. And I'm not against The Powers That Be mounting an attempt to contain the virus to save Charan's ass, providing that quest doesn't become a pilot program for totalitarianism. It's a good charity to help with and I don't much mind helping.

But let's be clear here: all of this effort is just for that bottom 1% on the health hierarchy. There isn't yet a case on record of a child dying to COVID19, based on my admittedly not comprehensive search. No doubt there eventually will be, but that's because some children have immunodeficiency disorders. All of this is charity for a small portion of the population, not a potential extinction event. Going to extreme measures to prevent the spread of COVID19 makes LESS sense than shutting down the highways to prevent deaths due to vehicular accidents.