Why is there no auction house in POE?

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LennyGhoul wrote:

Never try anything new because change is bad. OK got it.

Yup no has ever tried ah in any game let alone arpg. They were all just afraid of it.

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As an interesting point take a look at number of support icons for people wanting ah and people against. It is quite different. While no spending more money on this game does not mean you smarter it does usually means you played it longer and are more invested into it. Not to mention are the core PAYING player
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I've had a POE account since 2014. I've Spent money here. And I've been playing ARPG's since Diablo 1. I'm not sure where you are getting your assumption from but you might want to troll less and think more.

You don't want it you don't have to play in it, but why fight against those that do? Person to person trading is cumbersome and generally sucks. Relying on the honesty of others is setting yourself up for disaster, especially on a free to play game, where there are NO consequences for screwing people. Many people have many reasons.

Why not try? You might find you're wrong and end up liking it, though you may never admit it. ;)

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LennyGhoul wrote:

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As an interesting point take a look at number of support icons for people wanting ah and people against. It is quite different. While no spending more money on this game does not mean you smarter it does usually means you played it longer and are more invested into it. Not to mention are the core PAYING player
base.

I've had a POE account since 2014. I've Spent money here. And I've been playing ARPG's since Diablo 1. I'm not sure where you are getting your assumption from but you might want to troll less and think more.

You don't want it you don't have to play in it, but why fight against those that do? Person to person trading is cumbersome and generally sucks. Relying on the honesty of others is setting yourself up for disaster, especially on a free to play game, where there are NO consequences for screwing people. Many people have many reasons.

Why not try? You might find you're wrong and end up liking it, though you may never admit it. ;)

First of trade is suppose to suck, i am still confused why this is even a point.
Second of all i did try it in d3. And a week later i found the majority of the time i spend on ah trying to find upgrades. Pressing buy for a decent priced piece just to see it is already sold message. Refresh the page try again. This shit sucked so bad and killed d3. And yet somehow it suppose to work in poe. You do know definition of insanity is doing same thing and expecting different result.

That is actual experience on top of multiple glaring issues in all ah in all the games. But hey lets try it again coz why not? And i pointed out just a few reasons as to why not.

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First of trade is suppose to suck, i am still confused why this is even a point.

Huh? Why should it suck. Thats stupid.

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Second of all i did try it in d3. And a week later i found the majority of the time i spend on ah trying to find upgrades. Pressing buy for a decent priced piece just to see it is already sold message. Refresh the page try again. This shit sucked so bad and killed d3. And yet somehow it suppose to work in poe.

Diablo 3 was a very poorly implemented game (much better now actually but still pretty bad). People farmed the AH because the game sucked and itemization was done horribly. Your entire source of power in the game came from items (pre paragon).

Just because you had a bad experience on a crappy game that sucked at itemization, no other game should do it? It can work in POE just fine because itemization isn't the entire game. If people want to grind the AH let them. If people want to play the content. Fine.

How is it any different grinding the AH vs. grinding a website and spamming trade chats etc? The AH is more efficient so you can get back to playing the game. The AH when done properly is a more efficient version of that. Keeping it in game and in the hands of the devs keeps the scams out and legitimizes it. It's not like you don't have to farm for currency anyway. That won't change.

I'm simple proposing a league where people can try it that will have no impact on the rest of the game, except that people will probably enjoy it.

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You do know definition of insanity is doing same thing and expecting different result.

That's a terribly misunderstood, misquoted, and generally illogical quote. (especially considering the context of a random loot farming rpg)

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That is actual experience on top of multiple glaring issues in all ah in all the games. But hey lets try it again coz why not? And i pointed out just a few reasons as to why not.

Not really, you just pointed out that you have no self control, and used one of the worst ARPG experiments in modern history to try and make your point.

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Deathfairy wrote:

First of trade is suppose to suck, i am still confused why this is even a point.

I am going to try for the last time. Ok trade is supposed to suck, but why trade is suposed to suck?
Because otherwise people would gear themselves too quickly and not pick up gear anymore.
Now let`s go see what happens inside of the game for 99% of the playerbase that plays trade league:

1- When you start the league you play with whatever you drop, then you reach blood aqueducts and grind a tabula.
OS> If it`s your second character you already have a wanderlust/seven step, tabula, goldrim and leveling weapons that you will use the entire acts.

2-After that you defeat act 10 kitava, and you will already have enough currency to buy enough gear to play up until high yellows (and you will buy, because it`s a lot simpler than dropping good items).

3- Upon reaching red tier maps you will already have enough currency to buy your gear at 80% total power (so you will do it, because your other option would be crafting, but trade sucks so let`s just buy the gear already crafted).

4- Now you mindlessly grind currency until you can buy your BIS items (because buying the crafting materials sucks, you will just buy your BIS items already crafted), and if you want to do endgame you will also buy fragments, emblems, breachstones, etc.


So if the objective of "trade is supposed to suck" is making so i grind/craft my own gear. Why everyone still just buys their final gear? If that`s the case shouldn`t we make so trade sucks even more? Let`s make so you have to duel 10 times for every trade transaction, that would be fun right?

I gave following reasons to why not?

What is the harm you say?

1) they clearly said there will never be ah. Going back on that massively hurts their image.
2) it takes butload of effort to create well done ah. That is bears massive costs.
3) it would result in lacking features/polish etc from next league or leagues.

When you point me to place here which has to do with my self control or failed arpg I will start taking your responses seriously. Untill then k thanks bye.

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Mortyx wrote:

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Deathfairy wrote:

First of trade is suppose to suck, i am still confused why this is even a point.

I am going to try for the last time. Ok trade is supposed to suck, but why trade is suposed to suck?
Because otherwise people would gear themselves too quickly and not pick up gear anymore.
Now let`s go see what happens inside of the game for 99% of the playerbase that plays trade league:

1- When you start the league you play with whatever you drop, then you reach blood aqueducts and grind a tabula.
OS> If it`s your second character you already have a wanderlust/seven step, tabula, goldrim and leveling weapons that you will use the entire acts.

2-After that you defeat act 10 kitava, and you will already have enough currency to buy enough gear to play up until high yellows (and you will buy, because it`s a lot simpler than dropping good items).

3- Upon reaching red tier maps you will already have enough currency to buy your gear at 80% total power (so you will do it, because your other option would be crafting, but trade sucks so let`s just buy the gear already crafted).

4- Now you mindlessly grind currency until you can buy your BIS items (because buying the crafting materials sucks, you will just buy your BIS items already crafted), and if you want to do endgame you will also buy fragments, emblems, breachstones, etc.


So if the objective of "trade is supposed to suck" is making so i grind/craft my own gear. Why everyone still just buys their final gear? If that`s the case shouldn`t we make so trade sucks even more? Let`s make so you have to duel 10 times for every trade transaction, that would be fun right?

Do you even have a point to this? You wrote 4 numbers wrote some random stuff, large part of which is just wrong, but it doesn't really matter. You did not address single issues with ah. Or how it should be different from every other ah with same set of problems. And yet somehow think you made a convincing agrument.

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Deathfairy wrote:

Do you even have a point to this? You wrote 4 numbers wrote some random stuff, large part of which is just wrong, but it doesn't really matter. You did not address single issues with ah. Or how it should be different from every other ah with same set of problems. And yet somehow think you made a convincing agrument.

But he is dead on that for an average player, purchases around map and then later BiS item make for more sense to trade than craft.

To change that, you need to either make crafting less RNG based and more grindy but with a certain outcome, or trade suck even more.

Instead we have a crap middle ground where trade is awful, but everyone uses it anyway because crafting is worse. Its just needlessly frustrating and annoying, yet not achieving the reasons it was made frustrating.

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trixxar wrote:

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Deathfairy wrote:

Do you even have a point to this? You wrote 4 numbers wrote some random stuff, large part of which is just wrong, but it doesn't really matter. You did not address single issues with ah. Or how it should be different from every other ah with same set of problems. And yet somehow think you made a convincing agrument.

But he is dead on that for an average player, purchases around map and then later BiS item make for more sense to trade than craft.

To change that, you need to either make crafting less RNG based and more grindy but with a certain outcome, or trade suck even more.

Instead we have a crap middle ground where trade is awful, but everyone uses it anyway because crafting is worse. Its just needlessly frustrating and annoying, yet not achieving the reasons it was made frustrating.

First of i dont know where you getting idea that everyone buys gear instead of crafting. I sure as hell dont. Maybe you do that is 50/50 so far where does everyone comes from. Crafting is one of the best parts of poe, IMHO.

Second of all trade is awful is too generic statement to even respond too. There some specific issues like people not answering for example, that can be discussed.l, and if you i can but trade is awful is not valid argument. And when you start looking at specific cases you can see that ah either does not actually solves them or creates ARGUABLY worse problems.


I have quite powerful character i crafted all my gear minus uniques and shapers ring was my drop. So crafting works just fine for creating end game gear. And you would do well to look into it. It is fun facinating and profitable to craft.

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Deathfairy wrote:

First of i dont know where you getting idea that everyone buys gear instead of crafting. I sure as hell dont. Maybe you do that is 50/50 so far where does everyone comes from. Crafting is one of the best parts of poe, IMHO.

Second of all trade is awful is too generic statement to even respond too. There some specific issues like people not answering for example, that can be discussed.l, and if you i can but trade is awful is not valid argument. And when you start looking at specific cases you can see that ah either does not actually solves them or creates ARGUABLY worse problems.


I have quite powerful character i crafted all my gear minus uniques and shapers ring was my drop. So crafting works just fine for creating end game gear. And you would do well to look into it. It is fun facinating and profitable to craft.

Trade being awful, I thought enough specifics had been stated but Im happy to add more

1 - You can easily end up sending 40 messages to complete a single trade for lower end item, particularly maps or other crafting consumables such as resonators. Anticipating your response - buy high price, or bulk, these work sometimes but not always. You dont always need or can afford a dozen chaotic resonators or T16 maps, sometimes you need one. Buying high doesnt always work as those people have over priced items which sit for weeks, so they will ignore you. Sometimes it helps, sometimes not, it doesnt explain why its necessary.

2 - Will see how the new atlas impacts this, but if your goal is atlas completion you can easily spend more time on buying maps than running them.

3 - Alt tabbing from a game to use a browser is pointlessly clunky and unimmersive.

4 - Most current forms of scams rely on the clunky, person to person trade much like the first MMOs like everquest. Im not saying people shouldnt be careful but its all so unnecessary. Side benefit.


As for crafting, I dont enjoy gambling aspects of games, I'd rather work consistently towards goals than slam items hoping for the best. Resonators are slightly better but still a crapshoot. Give me crafting with certain outcomes that requires steady work and Id craft, but I despise the current RNG that POE likes for crafting. Note, not saying it should be easier, just more certain. Make it harder, but more certain, and Id join in.

Its cool that you like it, some people love Vegas others hate it. I know if you pass a certain threshold its profitable cause you can sell to people like me who loathe it.

None of that makes the current trade system better or more necessary.