[3.17] Wallach's Hierophant Freezing Pulse Totems (No Further Updates)

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Elhazzared wrote:

I do hate the changes they did to hiero. Totems were never meta builds and while there is no doubt they can be strong, it's also fair to say that they suffer a mid life crysis in which you got a good starter build, you got a good end game build but it lacks something in middle, it's not exactly easily upgradable unfortunatly. So these changes come as a very sour surprise.

That said, I don't think, at least in FP totems that you are pushed towards the multiple totem gem.

Using that gem lowers the overall DPS, decreses massively the hit damage which affects very negatively what you can and cannot freeze as well as for how long and to top it off, makes the chest harder to colour with 4 off colour sockets.

So what you are gaining is the abillity to put 2 totems down at once which is a convinience for a really big penalty. But even then you are not getting much of a real bonus because since your new number of totems is now 6, you are doing 3 casts to put down all your totems. For one extra cast you put your 4 totems without using the multiple totem gem so it is way better to just keep the 4 totems instead.

Granted you lose like 1% mana regen, 2% life regen and 10% more damage due to having only 4 vs 6 totems, but overall it's still far more powerful and the difference is a single click.

I honestly just wish that GGG didn't treated totem builds so poorly and gave it a much deserved buff and perhaps some new uniques to make alternative builds for totems.

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Vegeto_Anima wrote:

Hi. do you maybe have a Item Filter which fits to your Build? Would be nice, if you can answer back :)

Nice Guide and Build , i will use it for this League first time

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Wallach wrote:

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Elhazzared wrote:

I do hate the changes they did to hiero. Totems were never meta builds and while there is no doubt they can be strong, it's also fair to say that they suffer a mid life crysis in which you got a good starter build, you got a good end game build but it lacks something in middle, it's not exactly easily upgradable unfortunatly. So these changes come as a very sour surprise.

That said, I don't think, at least in FP totems that you are pushed towards the multiple totem gem.

Using that gem lowers the overall DPS, decreses massively the hit damage which affects very negatively what you can and cannot freeze as well as for how long and to top it off, makes the chest harder to colour with 4 off colour sockets.

So what you are gaining is the abillity to put 2 totems down at once which is a convinience for a really big penalty. But even then you are not getting much of a real bonus because since your new number of totems is now 6, you are doing 3 casts to put down all your totems. For one extra cast you put your 4 totems without using the multiple totem gem so it is way better to just keep the 4 totems instead.

Granted you lose like 1% mana regen, 2% life regen and 10% more damage due to having only 4 vs 6 totems, but overall it's still far more powerful and the difference is a single click.

I honestly just wish that GGG didn't treated totem builds so poorly and gave it a much deserved buff and perhaps some new uniques to make alternative builds for totems.

Your throughput DPS doesn't change much going from something like Increased Critical Strikes to Multiple Totems when we are starting at a base of 4 totems. That has traditionally been the issue, that the gem is basically a sidegrade in single target, while not actually being a clear speed buff because we used to place the same amount of totems per drop. Thing is, they changed the opportunity cost by just nerfing Hierophant's placement rather than actually making the gem any better. So, yeah, now you do get a faster ramp for clearing (in terms of DPS), just not in a good way.

It's not really a matter of actually having more total totems on the field, because Multiple Totems is a local totem maximum, so before we just used to run Frost Bomb as a Multiple Totems setup and were already at 6 total totems. That part of the equation hasn't changed really.

I am however concerned about both the chest coloring and the per-hit damage in terms of freeze being too punishing. It's something I'll play around with after league start; it's possible we wind up going back to the 4/2 split if the CC becomes too unreliable, though that problem is something you can likely brute force with investment in the long run.

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NoImagination wrote:

In Harvest I was > 500k hideout tooltip dps and I wasn't freezing the absolute top end bosses anyway - even if I killed them in three hits or whatever - so I doubt this would have made a difference for the 10 boss Maven fights.