3.14 KING OF ALL SUMMONERS. Zombies & Skeletons & Spectres on STEROIDS! | League-Start to End-Game

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

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Sisilim wrote:

Played around the skill tree so i can squeeze more damage, I used medium thread of hope to get cruel preparation and ravenous horde+minion dmg/move spd. used extra skill points to take enduring bond and spiritual aid,

Before:
1.5k str, minion damage modifier around 380+, 16 zombies

After:
1.4K str, minion damage modifier 447%, 15 zombies


Do you guys think the loss of strength and 1 zombie worth it for the minion damage modifier or should i revert back?

One way to evaluate this is to check the dps in both cases on POB.

Then multiply the 447% case by 15 and the 380% by 16 and see which is higher.

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Sisilim wrote:

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

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Sisilim wrote:

Played around the skill tree so i can squeeze more damage, I used medium thread of hope to get cruel preparation and ravenous horde+minion dmg/move spd. used extra skill points to take enduring bond and spiritual aid,

Before:
1.5k str, minion damage modifier around 380+, 16 zombies

After:
1.4K str, minion damage modifier 447%, 15 zombies


Do you guys think the loss of strength and 1 zombie worth it for the minion damage modifier or should i revert back?

One way to evaluate this is to check the dps in both cases on POB.

Then multiply the 447% case by 15 and the 380% by 16 and see which is higher.

1st time trying to use the calc on PoB
before build is 100978 effective DPS for zombie
after build is 104763 (im not sure if this is correct but after importing build on PoB Cruel prep and Ravenous horde+minion dmg node not showing on PoB)

Edit:
tried to manually path cruel prep an ravenous horde in PoB cause thread of hope not working on PoB(dont now why LOL)got around 116000 efective dps from zombie default attack so the real effective attack might be 115000.

So before build with 1.5 str and 16 zombies is 1.6m
after build with 1.4 str and 15 zombies is is 1.75m

Not sure if my estimation is correct. Does the 150k increase dps make a difference or should i revert back to 16zombies and 1.5k str?

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Just to double check. I see you are using Impale.

To get the correct DPS for Impale, you need to use the Fork version of POB as the regular version does not calculate it.

In case you are not using the fork version, see here for the simple steps you need to take to move over to the fork version.

https://github.com/LocalIdentity/PathOfBuilding/wiki/Installing-this-Fork

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HavskattenWAOW wrote:

Im a bit noob with jewels since i didnt play legion league. Wich lethal pride is the ”correkt” one?
How to know :P?

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Sisilim wrote:

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Just to double check. I see you are using Impale.

To get the correct DPS for Impale, you need to use the Fork version of POB as the regular version does not calculate it.

In case you are not using the fork version, see here for the simple steps you need to take to move over to the fork version.

https://github.com/LocalIdentity/PathOfBuilding/wiki/Installing-this-Fork

Thanks, don't know anything about Fork, i just downloaded PoB and imported my build. might try it later

Edit:
after updating

Before build became 123143k eDPS x16 = 1.97m
after build became 137063k eDPS x15 = 2.055m

around 86k dps difference. Should i just revert back then?

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

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Sisilim wrote:

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Just to double check. I see you are using Impale.

To get the correct DPS for Impale, you need to use the Fork version of POB as the regular version does not calculate it.

In case you are not using the fork version, see here for the simple steps you need to take to move over to the fork version.

https://github.com/LocalIdentity/PathOfBuilding/wiki/Installing-this-Fork

Thanks, don't know anything about Fork, i just downloaded PoB and imported my build. might try it later

Edit:
after updating

Before build became 123143k eDPS x16 = 1.97m
after build became 137063k eDPS x15 = 2.055m

around 86k dps difference. Should i just revert back then?

something is not right. Your DPS is too low given your gear and gems. Are you sure you are looking at the DPS which includes impale?

I just downloaded your 1408 strength build into my POB. This is what I see for DPS with Impale:

394,598

That is right around where you should be per zombie. And with 15 zombies you should do well in late end game.

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Sisilim wrote:

Played around the skill tree so i can squeeze more damage, I used medium thread of hope to get cruel preparation and ravenous horde+minion dmg/move spd. used extra skill points to take enduring bond and spiritual aid,

Before:
1.5k str, minion damage modifier around 380+, 16 zombies

After:
1.4K str, minion damage modifier 447%, 15 zombies


Do you guys think the loss of strength and 1 zombie worth it for the minion damage modifier or should i revert back?

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JCOH35 wrote:

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Sisilim wrote:

Played around the skill tree so i can squeeze more damage, I used medium thread of hope to get cruel preparation and ravenous horde+minion dmg/move spd. used extra skill points to take enduring bond and spiritual aid,

Before:
1.5k str, minion damage modifier around 380+, 16 zombies

After:
1.4K str, minion damage modifier 447%, 15 zombies


Do you guys think the loss of strength and 1 zombie worth it for the minion damage modifier or should i revert back?

You dont have to give up either, your tree is just pathed wrong but its very close, would only need minor changes.

If you get a moment look at my skill tree, its the best STR hybrid can have.

With no STR boots, and only an astramentis neck, I sit at 1,800 STR with this tree, putting thread of hope in that spot isnt ideal, we experimented with those a few weeks back. Put an efficient training there instead, and just change your pathing a bit, youll have everything.

(the last 2 points, 99 and 100 are just gravepact and bloodless)