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Cruonit wrote:
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JCOH35 wrote:
Ya its tricky, im at 1,804 without using any extra nodes in tree for out of the way lethal pride targets but as I said, its really hard hitting 1.8 with no STR boots and astramentis.

Regarding the shock, shock nova and arc give you a set % to apply shock debuff seperate from the base mechanic of applying it with a % of damage done, atleast thats what I have been told b/c arc and nova were recommended to me.

(also shows in PoB a 25% chance to apply shock debuff for me with my nova so idk, I was told use arc for mapping for the debuff, nova for bosses)


How much str do you lose with +55str and %10 inc str boots compared To alberon's?
Red Arc mtx is beautiful. Shocknova Will start hurting your Eyes if U use too long. You can also try coldsnap if U are bored or need something more defensive.


Im still open to suggestions on the last link in my cyclone setup. I really liked soulrend but it noticably slows down your cyclone, even in The Stampede but I am pretty sure shock nova shocks, now to be fair Crazy could also be right and the shock duration could be miniscule and not worth it, ill wait for a more certain answer on that.

I never worried about the loss of STR, I faceroll content in nearly the same time with 1,300 or 2,600 STR, ive run the entire range now and have felt very little difference.

This is my current STR/Speed on A8 Content;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9at04iKKlIg

However its not that much different from when I dropped all the way down to 1,300 just to see what it would look like.

I think there are other factors dramatically affecting dps b/c some of the people at 2 or even 2.5k STR with more zombies are having less dps, and im barely even over 200% minion damage modifier, I sit at like 215.

So theres something that I use that must be significantly stronger but I couldnt tell you what, thats why I always link my current setups b/c I get all my stuff from sampling other peoples's builds and seeing what works for them.
Last edited by JCOH35#4078 on Feb 6, 2020, 10:31:52 AM
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Kumbas wrote:
Hi guys,

I have a question about the balanced version with aspect of Avian. Sadly I dont have Aul's Uprising with pride mana no reservation. How to squeeze Hatred, Dread Banner and Pride ? to this set up ? Important to add I wont be using Purity of elements since i dont have watchers eye for it. Please help :) Is it possible?

I run this version right now. My auras are Hatred, Pride, and Dread Banner with Enlighten and Awakened Generosity in there. I tossed Convocation in the link because I ran out of mana to reserve.

You can check out my character, it should be public. I use Flesh and Stone with Maim over Avian as a preference, but you can use Avian instead if you want - it actually reserves less mana.
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JCOH35 wrote:
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Cruonit wrote:
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JCOH35 wrote:
Ya its tricky, im at 1,804 without using any extra nodes in tree for out of the way lethal pride targets but as I said, its really hard hitting 1.8 with no STR boots and astramentis.

Regarding the shock, shock nova and arc give you a set % to apply shock debuff seperate from the base mechanic of applying it with a % of damage done, atleast thats what I have been told b/c arc and nova were recommended to me.

(also shows in PoB a 25% chance to apply shock debuff for me with my nova so idk, I was told use arc for mapping for the debuff, nova for bosses)


How much str do you lose with +55str and %10 inc str boots compared To alberon's?
Red Arc mtx is beautiful. Shocknova Will start hurting your Eyes if U use too long. You can also try coldsnap if U are bored or need something more defensive.


Im still open to suggestions on the last link in my cyclone setup. I really liked soulrend but it noticably slows down your cyclone, even in The Stampede but I am pretty sure shock nova shocks, now to be fair Crazy could also be right and the shock duration could be miniscule and not worth it, ill wait for a more certain answer on that.

I never worried about the loss of STR, I faceroll content in nearly the same time with 1,300 or 2,600 STR, ive run the entire range now and have felt very little difference.

This is my current STR/Speed on A8 Content;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9at04iKKlIg

However its not that much different from when I dropped all the way down to 1,300 just to see what it would look like.

I think there are other factors dramatically affecting dps b/c some of the people at 2 or even 2.5k STR with more zombies are having less dps, and im barely even over 200% minion damage modifier, I sit at like 215.

So theres something that I use that must be significantly stronger but I couldnt tell you what, thats why I always link my current setups b/c I get all my stuff from sampling other peoples's builds and seeing what works for them.


Normal lightning damage has chance to shock as a status ailment, the higher the damage the higher the chance. When using skills like arc and shocknova you have the chance to shock no matter how much damage you deal because of the spell, however you will have minimum effect of shock applied for every cast(0,2% ?). Think of it like bleed. You cause bleeding on enemy but how much they bleed is based on your main damage.
Therefore cold spells are better because you chill anyway. They will be slowed down, then if u deal enough damage they get frozen.
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JCOH35 wrote:

Im still open to suggestions on the last link in my cyclone setup. I really liked soulrend but it noticably slows down your cyclone, even in The Stampede but I am pretty sure shock nova shocks, now to be fair Crazy could also be right and the shock duration could be miniscule and not worth it, ill wait for a more certain answer on that.



I am doing the 6-link cyclone same gems as JCOH atm.
It is definitely shocking trash mobs and map bosses quite reliably. Duration of shock is quite hard to tell as everything dies so fast. Have not tested with no minions to see.
And have only done 1 conqueror since switching to shock nova. Did not look for shock.

So even if shock duration is low...I am constantly Cycloning through everything again (if needed) - doesn't shock reapply just as quickly as the first shock debuff? Or are there diminishing returns that kill those chances?

Side note, sort of; it adds a ton of fun to have 1 even 2 slots to throw into your cyclone. So maybe my DPS isn't mega like my Victario's aura setup but I'm still destroying shit damn quick. It just feels good.

Edit: but yea, wish I still had my skitterbots. Only thing I miss atm.
Last edited by TheStabbie#6805 on Feb 6, 2020, 11:20:56 AM
Good to hear, theres honestly quite a few people in the thread that struggled like I did with being 1 hit from a screen away by random nonsense or over-tuned metamorph bosses.

I get alot of pms in the forums and whispers in game from people wanting to swtitch over to a tankier version and so far I havent had any complaints outside the occasional person not liking the boots but those are typically the meta speed guys who are used to clearing maps in under a minute.

Originally I disliked the idea of using 1 of the 6 links for cyclone but now I couldnt imagine not doing it this way. Either way though that 6th socket is optional, whatever the user feels comfortable with, the only must have is the infused channeling b/c that extra mitigation really does make the difference on being 1 hit in A8 maps.
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JCOH35 wrote:
...the only must have is the infused channeling b/c that extra mitigation really does make the difference on being 1 hit in A8 maps.

To each their own, of course, but I personally think it's a wasted slot. I did 99-100 deathless on a boring 4L Cyclone with only 16k HP and your gear is far better than what mine was, and you Cyclone through things much faster because of those cute ass boots.

If you have capped resistances and as much EHP as you have (and Chaos resistance), there's nothing that can kill you unless you're running full sextant, max pack size, corrupted T19/20 maps with 2x extra damage and LMP... in which case you're probably going to die no matter what you do.
So, I decided to see what happened when I anointed Cleansed Thoughts with just my base chaos resistance from the passive tree

I went from -48 to -96 lmao


I feel like I might need to get more base chaos resistance before using that notable XD
I reworked my CI setup a bit to avoid using "mana reserved" gems to make this version of the build a lot cheaper/accessible.

Now using only 1 "mana reserved" point in the tree + an helmet with some "mana reserved" enchant (Flesh & Stone, Pride, Discipline or whatever aura you're using).

This allows me to reach 2700+ strength, 20 zombies, 17k ES with my current gear while running ...

Flesh & Stone linked with maim
Pride
Discipline
Dread Banner or War Banner



POB link if anyone is interrested (make sure to choose "Without mana reserved" tree at the bottom of the page)...
https://pastebin.com/SsCrpqs4

And btw, i'm still selling the same lethal pride used in this build.
Full description of the gem here...
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2764149

Last edited by Släyer#5763 on Feb 6, 2020, 12:07:08 PM
I am still looking for a lethal pride jewel on standard.
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JCOH35 wrote:
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Cruonit wrote:
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JCOH35 wrote:
Ya its tricky, im at 1,804 without using any extra nodes in tree for out of the way lethal pride targets but as I said, its really hard hitting 1.8 with no STR boots and astramentis.

Regarding the shock, shock nova and arc give you a set % to apply shock debuff seperate from the base mechanic of applying it with a % of damage done, atleast thats what I have been told b/c arc and nova were recommended to me.

(also shows in PoB a 25% chance to apply shock debuff for me with my nova so idk, I was told use arc for mapping for the debuff, nova for bosses)


How much str do you lose with +55str and %10 inc str boots compared To alberon's?
Red Arc mtx is beautiful. Shocknova Will start hurting your Eyes if U use too long. You can also try coldsnap if U are bored or need something more defensive.


Im still open to suggestions on the last link in my cyclone setup. I really liked soulrend but it noticably slows down your cyclone, even in The Stampede but I am pretty sure shock nova shocks, now to be fair Crazy could also be right and the shock duration could be miniscule and not worth it, ill wait for a more certain answer on that.

I never worried about the loss of STR, I faceroll content in nearly the same time with 1,300 or 2,600 STR, ive run the entire range now and have felt very little difference.

This is my current STR/Speed on A8 Content;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9at04iKKlIg

However its not that much different from when I dropped all the way down to 1,300 just to see what it would look like.

I think there are other factors dramatically affecting dps b/c some of the people at 2 or even 2.5k STR with more zombies are having less dps, and im barely even over 200% minion damage modifier, I sit at like 215.

So theres something that I use that must be significantly stronger but I couldnt tell you what, thats why I always link my current setups b/c I get all my stuff from sampling other peoples's builds and seeing what works for them.


I see you are no longer running Maim, why not just put that in ur cyclone setup? since u cyclone nonstop with those boots u will be maiming and causing vulnerability all the time wich is a nice dps boost.
Last edited by Cyrom#2298 on Feb 6, 2020, 12:51:12 PM

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