Incinerate

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Redblade wrote:

The ramp up mechanic and why it has to go or be substantially reduced.

With the way the game is evolving the mechanic of ramp up time is becoming more and more of a disadvantage. Changing the skill to adapt to the evolution of the game is by far more viable than adapting the game to fit one skill.

Disadvantages Incinerate suffers due to the ramp up time:

• Ranged monsters fleeing and it's lack of cooldown forces you to either only hit with one projectile or constantly reset you stacks.
• Temporal chains increases ramp up time making it a harsher penalty for Incinerate than other abilities (Flame blast being the exception).
• Group play viability at end game being very low due to the fast paced nature of other builds making you only ever reach stage three on rares and bosses. Most groups wouldn't take you unless you provide enough utility to justify your spot through that.
• Birdmen...while I think their AI needs to be completely re-worked as the way they are now they literally make me want to quit mapping when I encounter them. Having to reset your stacks to chase after each mob individually while being bombarded causes a frustration that words can't describe.
• Silence curse, I really don't know what you were thinking with this one, resetting your stacks at a regular interval while making you unable to cast at all is punishing towards incinerate more than any other ability in game. No other curse completely disables attacking while at the same time reduces damage output by two thirds...
• Encounter design. Many new encounter designs relies heavily on movement which puts Incinerate users at a distinct disadvantage, Atziri and her generals, Dominus, Trapper bosses and so on.
• Inability to use defensive skills without resetting stack like Immortal call and Enduring cry. The original design of CwDT did resolve this issue but with the changes to it the problem persists.
• Inability to curse without resetting stacks. Was hoping Curse on hit would be a global support gem for curses and as such fix this but with it's current design the problem persists.
• Narrow passages, Shipyard being a prime example, where Incinerate won't hit at all or just hit for a few seconds to then do no damage where you have to reposition your self thus resetting stacks. Doorways have the same issue where your damage only works for so long before you have to move.
• Random objects like trees and pillars, Courtyard and Bazaar being prime examples, where monsters run behind or stand to the side of where Incinerate won't work properly or have to reposition to hit behind. Again forcing resets of your stacks.

I'm sure I forgot a few reasons but the list is long enough to make my point. While some of these issues have reasonable counter arguments on their own but when combining all the issues those arguments quickly become moot in my opinion.

Iv always loved incinerate because the way it scales without investing any spell damage nodes. However what u said is true , the skill has many issues that greatly reduce its effectivity...

This is my character and even after getting to this point i still frustrated by the issues my friend exile listed in his post.

while i understand the above complaints about incinerate,
i believe these drawback are 100%justified.
why? the damage of this skill is very high even with minimal passive investment.
possibly on the overpowered side.
it ALSO has multiple defensive utility aspects, like linked with blind or knockback.

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zephiroth3 wrote:

while i understand the above complaints about incinerate,
i believe these drawback are 100%justified.
why? the damage of this skill is very high even with minimal passive investment.
possibly on the overpowered side.
it ALSO has multiple defensive utility aspects, like linked with blind or knockback.

You must be joking...

I had it up to 2300 ish tooltip with GMP, that's 6.9k DPS on a ranged target and 34.5k shotgun in melee range. My spectral throw now does almost 80k with LMP, the CoC build of the week has a potential damage output in the millions...

For all of incinerates downsides when it comes to ramp up time and lack of crit it has a exceptionally low DPS at end game.

Late edit: Also knockback is counter productive to incinerate as you want to shotgun with it...

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Vipermagi wrote:

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Redblade wrote:

My spectral throw now does almost 80k with LMP

So without LMP, you'd be hitting for 114k then?
Note that ST can only hit once every 0.3 seconds per separate Attack. It does not shotgun.

Something along those lines (in my farming gear atm using Prism Guarian and no empower so can't check without hassle). An no I'm not applying any shotgun dps to it, just the tooltip.

The reason I decided to switch builds was that I tried über and could not get past the generals as the adds wouldn't die hence no flask charges. So to have some one claim that it's OP due to high DPS is kinda sad.

Really confused with how the ramp time works.
poe wiki says, "simply multiplying the cast speed by 12 (4 shots * 3 repetitions) and dividing by 10 gives the approximate amount of time in seconds, barring any stuns or freezes, that it will take the spell to reach maximum damage output."
Not understanding the meaning of "dividing by 10".
And if the above function is true, does that mean if I have a cast time of 0.1 sec, than I can get to full ramp with 0.12sec ? (something seem to be wrong here....)
or perhaps poe wiki was wrong with incinerate......

maybe its because i just woke up, but yeah it should be reworded.
the problem is casting speed is different from casting time.

default casting time is 0.24 seconds. translates to 4 and 1/6th's shots per second as cast speed.
using the now straight through comment on the wiki, it'll take 5 seconds to reach full damage threshold, which feels about right. but trying to apply increased cast speed of 40% increased, doesn't seem to work out well. new result is 5 and 5/6 shots a second which the wiki's comment states that it'll then take 7 seconds to reach full damage, which does NOT make sense.

Just to make the question simple.

How long will it take to reach full damage with incinerate if I have a cast time of 0.1 second?
And what's the function between cast time and the time to reach full damage?

Thanks a lot!

Cast time 0.1 seconds = 10 casts per second
You need 12 casts to reach the fourth stage, so that would be 1.2 seconds.

Spell echo is a gigantic buff to this skill. I now cast so fast that I can be stunned and cast again before I lose my stacks with no block/stun recovery. Alongside CWDT lightning warp this means going very, very long bouts where I never lose stacks, or even need to do anything other than turn around my flamethrower.

If this skill is in need of a buff at all then having the stacks drop one at a time over a longer period of time would be good. But for now I'm very happy.