Incinerate

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Draftbeer wrote:

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Maybe but after (not sure before or after) you multiply
reduce it by 80%. Since it's 20% effectiveness.

One way or another it's still a very little lightning damage
but with a fast fire rate.

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StarlightGamer wrote:

Upon further usage, the skill isn't as bad as I first thought. You can stop firing for a split second and still maintain your stage, which is quite useful. This is good for three things: You can maintain your stage after being stunned if your stun/block recovery is high enough. You can let go of the attack key and immediately re-engage to lock or unlock a target (like to see their health bar). You can manually reduce the casting speed of the skill by click, click, clicking to cast instead of holding the button, though you'll have to make sure you don't wait too long between flames otherwise you'll lose the stage.

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shroudb wrote:

Spoiler

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Draftbeer wrote:

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Maybe but after (not sure before or after) you multiply
reduce it by 80%. Since it's 20% effectiveness.

One way or another it's still a very little lightning damage
but with a fast fire rate.

0,2*1.8*1.8*1.8*(spelldamage+elementaldamage+lightingdamage) is ~= 1,17*(increased modifiers)

which means, that basicaly, even AFTER the 20% multiplier is applied, then the overall multiplier of a stage 4 incinerate is 117%, not 20%.

so if you can apply shock through "added lighting" on whatever spell you are using like FP and etc, then with maxxed out incinerate it is easier. That is without counting the fact that with FP you will be using as a defacto either LMP or GMP, whereas the huge base damage potential of incinerate doesn't need it, and lmp/gmp makes it even harder for such spells to actually apply the effects.

what i know for a fact, is that with added cold and blind, your survivability against whatever uses attacks skyrockets even without using frostbite curse.

my only current gripe with incinerate is that it needs a lot of links to be usuable compared to other spells. it should at least have a bit better quality bonus, making it at least 3% (to be equal to FP) or imo 4% because it is much thinner than fp.

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Draftbeer wrote:

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shroudb wrote:

Spoiler

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Draftbeer wrote:

^
Maybe but after (not sure before or after) you multiply
reduce it by 80%. Since it's 20% effectiveness.

One way or another it's still a very little lightning damage
but with a fast fire rate.

0,2*1.8*1.8*1.8*(spelldamage+elementaldamage+lightingdamage) is ~= 1,17*(increased modifiers)

which means, that basicaly, even AFTER the 20% multiplier is applied, then the overall multiplier of a stage 4 incinerate is 117%, not 20%.

so if you can apply shock through "added lighting" on whatever spell you are using like FP and etc, then with maxxed out incinerate it is easier. That is without counting the fact that with FP you will be using as a defacto either LMP or GMP, whereas the huge base damage potential of incinerate doesn't need it, and lmp/gmp makes it even harder for such spells to actually apply the effects.

what i know for a fact, is that with added cold and blind, your survivability against whatever uses attacks skyrockets even without using frostbite curse.

my only current gripe with incinerate is that it needs a lot of links to be usuable compared to other spells. it should at least have a bit better quality bonus, making it at least 3% (to be equal to FP) or imo 4% because it is much thinner than fp.

So, are you saying that it can actually freeze mobs with added cold and frostbite?

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Draftbeer wrote:

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I'm not convinced that the amount of lightning damage in stage 4
can actually trigger shock stacks, at least not with full party and
on endgame maps. Chance to shock is one thing but the lightning damage
must be >= 1% of the mob's maximum hp to trigger something.

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MaXimillionZero wrote:

Knockback Incinerate seems to be quite prone to desyncs.