ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

It was a joke. I've moderated forums before. I deleted spam, and that was about it. I don't like censoring people.

I did create this one joke thread where I edited people's comments to whatever I felt like — often the polar opposite of their original message — but that was the joke. In hindsight, it wasn't very funny. But it's kinda boring having that power and being too principled to use it. I can actually understand how someone could become censorious out of little more than raw boredom. It's almost like having a Death Note and not trying it out. Power corrupts.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement-by-former-federal-prosecutors-8ab7691c2aa1

Currently signed by 439 former federal prosecutors.

In 40 minutes or so we are now up to 459 former federal prosecutor signatures.

Now up to 527 former federal prosecutor signatures.

Now up to 650 former federal prosecutor signatures.

Now up to 735 former federal prosecutor signatures.

What these folks are saying is that in their expert opinion there are multiple potential felony charges described in the report that are NOT a close call. They say it is highly likely that if charges were brought and it was tried before a jury they clearly feel that the case beyond a reasonable doubt would be proven.

Nobody cares my dude.

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Turtledove wrote:

We also know that Cohen is now in jail for 2 out of 3 things that he did that only benefited Trump. Meaning Trump is guilty of those crimes as well.

That's doubtful. Cohen is in prison for tax and bank fraud and perjury, which is all on Cohen alone. Campaign finance violation only gets you a slap on the wrist. He admitted to it because he thought he could get his sentence reduced if he slanders Trump. His plan obviously failed. What a loser.

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Turtledove wrote:

To the Trump fans that think that Trump has not committed felonies, you folks are out of touch with reality.

Trump is squeaky clean. Democrats don't dare to impeach him because they got nothing.

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diablofdb wrote:

God I would love having a Death Note.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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diablofdb wrote:

God I would love having a Death Note.

Kira was obviously the villain. Nothing Near said was wrong. The Ls of the world always win, eventually; death is not defeat.

Light was very unlucky to have picked it up. Very unlucky. I would think the same of myself if in that position.

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Turtledove wrote:

The 735 former professional federal prosecutors say that the facts in the Mueller report say that your argument that a prosecutor could not probably sustain a conviction for obstruction of justice — the standard set out in Principles of Federal Prosecution — runs counter to logic and the experience of 735 former prosecutors.

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kolyaboo wrote:

Trump caused climate change. (It wasn't there before, right? Though it has gotten SO BAD in the last 2 years that the world will end in 10-12 years depending on which "expert" you ask).

Trump ruined the US economy. (Unemployment numbers are low, GDP is great but if HRC were president we would all get to eat cupcakes for lunch every day).

Trump ruined the American healthcare system. (This one is rich. Obama never needed any help).

Did you also know that Trump was the direct cause of WWI? WWII?

Fuck that, he was responsible for the Turks overrunning of Constantinople.

These sickies don't notice how crazy they sound.

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diablofdb wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

The 735 former professional federal prosecutors say that the facts in the Mueller report say that your argument that a prosecutor could not probably sustain a conviction for obstruction of justice — the standard set out in Principles of Federal Prosecution — runs counter to logic and the experience of 735 former prosecutors.

Those 735 who say that the facts in the Mueller report say that.....
Can't even point a SINGLE valid fact.

Like go man, point a single one, I'm asking for a single valid proof. I'm only asking the believe. Been like 4 years already that all of these people claim they have Facts.... yet none came up showing a single fact.

and this was the guy leading the charge:

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The Mueller report describes several acts that satisfy all of the elements for an obstruction charge: conduct that obstructed or attempted to obstruct the truth-finding process, as to which the evidence of corrupt intent and connection to pending proceedings is overwhelming. These include:

· The President’s efforts to fire Mueller and to falsify evidence about that effort;

· The President’s efforts to limit the scope of Mueller’s investigation to exclude his conduct; and

· The President’s efforts to prevent witnesses from cooperating with investigators probing him and his campaign.

Attempts to fire Mueller and then create false evidence

Despite being advised by then-White House Counsel Don McGahn that he could face legal jeopardy for doing so, Trump directed McGahn on multiple occasions to fire Mueller or to gin up false conflicts of interest as a pretext for getting rid of the Special Counsel. When these acts began to come into public view, Trump made “repeated efforts to have McGahn deny the story” — going so far as to tell McGahn to write a letter “for our files” falsely denying that Trump had directed Mueller’s termination.

Firing Mueller would have seriously impeded the investigation of the President and his associates — obstruction in its most literal sense. Directing the creation of false government records in order to prevent or discredit truthful testimony is similarly unlawful. The Special Counsel’s report states: “Substantial evidence indicates that in repeatedly urging McGahn to dispute that he was ordered to have the Special Counsel terminated, the President acted for the purpose of influencing McGahn’s account in order to deflect or prevent scrutiny of the President’s conduct toward the investigation.”

Attempts to limit the Mueller investigation

The report describes multiple efforts by the president to curtail the scope of the Special Counsel’s investigation.

First, the President repeatedly pressured then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions to reverse his legally-mandated decision to recuse himself from the investigation. The President’s stated reason was that he wanted an attorney general who would “protect” him, including from the Special Counsel investigation. He also directed then-White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus to fire Sessions and Priebus refused.

Second, after McGahn told the President that he could not contact Sessions himself to discuss the investigation, Trump went outside the White House, instructing his former campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, to carry a demand to Sessions to direct Mueller to confine his investigation to future elections. Lewandowski tried and failed to contact Sessions in private. After a second meeting with Trump, Lewandowski passed Trump’s message to senior White House official Rick Dearborn, who Lewandowski thought would be a better messenger because of his prior relationship with Sessions. Dearborn did not pass along Trump’s message.

As the report explains, “substantial evidence indicates that the President’s effort to have Sessions limit the scope of the Special Counsel’s investigation to future election interference was intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct” — in other words, the President employed a private citizen to try to get the Attorney General to limit the scope of an ongoing investigation into the President and his associates.

All of this conduct — trying to control and impede the investigation against the President by leveraging his authority over others — is similar to conduct we have seen charged against other public officials and people in powerful positions.

Witness tampering and intimidation

The Special Counsel’s report establishes that the President tried to influence the decisions of both Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort with regard to cooperating with investigators. Some of this tampering and intimidation, including the dangling of pardons, was done in plain sight via tweets and public statements; other such behavior was done via private messages through private attorneys, such as Trump counsel Rudy Giuliani’s message to Cohen’s lawyer that Cohen should “sleep well tonight[], you have friends in high places.”

Of course, these aren’t the only acts of potential obstruction detailed by the Special Counsel. It would be well within the purview of normal prosecutorial judgment also to charge other acts detailed in the report.

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rojimbbo wrote:
How many strawmen can you fit in one post?

You're going for a record here...