ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Xavderion wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

So, you think Trumps political opponents want to abolish their nation, engage in pointless endless wars (Republicans were behind this, repeatedly), and want a bad life for the middle class?

Yes, they want more or less open borders (the left because of some kind of god complex, the liberals because it's good for corporations), they don't oppose war enough to actually do something about it (see Obama's 8 years) and they don't seem to care much about the middle class (those jobs aren't coming back right?).

Xav, You are spewing absolute ridiculous nonsense. You really should be embarrassed for believing a known pathological liar. Democrats do not stand for any of that.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

So, you think Trumps political opponents want to abolish their nation, engage in pointless endless wars (Republicans were behind this, repeatedly), and want a bad life for the middle class?

Yes, they want more or less open borders (the left because of some kind of god complex, the liberals because it's good for corporations), they don't oppose war enough to actually do something about it (see Obama's 8 years) and they don't seem to care much about the middle class (those jobs aren't coming back right?).

Xav, You are spewing absolute ridiculous nonsense. You really should be embarrassed for believing a known pathological liar. Democrats do not stand for any of that.

I'm wondering what exactly it is you think Democrats stand for, if anything. Please be as detailed as possible.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

Yes, they want more or less open borders (the left because of some kind of god complex, the liberals because it's good for corporations), they don't oppose war enough to actually do something about it (see Obama's 8 years) and they don't seem to care much about the middle class (those jobs aren't coming back right?).

Xav, You are spewing absolute ridiculous nonsense. You really should be embarrassed for believing a known pathological liar. Democrats do not stand for any of that.

I'm wondering what exactly it is you think Democrats stand for, if anything. Please be as detailed as possible.

-Equality for women
-Equality for minorities
-Equality for LGBT
-Freedom of religion, including freedom to peacefully practice Islam
-Paying fair share of taxes for all, the rich should pay a progressively higher tax, tax-cuts for the low and middle class and small businesses.
-If one is working full time then they should be above the poverty line.
-Healthcare in this country modeled after any of the other first world countries of the world would significantly improved healthcare in this country.
-Smart gun control measures, as supported by the majority of Americans, not as supported by the gun lobby and their primary spokes organization, NRA. Like support for gun background checks and stricter gun control regulations.
-Greater investment in infrastructure development.
-Pro-choice, let women have control over their own bodies.
-Campaign finance reform and electoral reform
-Immigration reform including a path to citizenship

hmm,

"-Campaign finance reform and electoral reform"

I honestly do not think democrats are interested in this one even though the population is.

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I'd add climate change countermeasures to the mix

yes! thank you, I'm sure I forgot some other stuff as well.

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faerwin wrote:

hmm,

"-Campaign finance reform and electoral reform"

I honestly do not think democrats are interested in this one even though the population is.

Perhaps, this last election is what the third time (?) that the popular vote was
"overturned" by the electoral college? I do hear more discussion about campaign finance reform though.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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faerwin wrote:

not really, I wouldn't wish any kid to be disavowed from their parent.

Ugh, is that really where you think it was going? Scrote's answer was pretty much what I expected...except that since it hasn't happened, he can't know his own reaction either. Easy to say, not so easy to experience. I imagine the arguments about choice vs nature would be epic though...

Outside the normal sexual orientations can be a difficult thing for many people to empathize with. One thing that may help them understand though is to try to keep in mind that people would not normally put themselves through the social trauma of being gay or transgender if they were not sincere and serious.

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Turtledove wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I'm wondering what exactly it is you think Democrats stand for, if anything. Please be as detailed as possible.

-Equality for women
-Equality for minorities
-Equality for LGBT

This would require a decrease, not an increase, in the privileges granted to women, minorities and LBGT. Women and people of color have US laws that specifically favors them over men and whites, while there is no law favoring men or whites. What you really mean is that Democrats want to push for further privileges for these groups.

It's probably also worth noting that these are references to socialist equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity, and that you put them at the very top of your list.

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Turtledove wrote:

-Freedom of religion, including freedom to peacefully practice Islam

Democrats are against the freedom to practice Christianity, as the Masterpiece Cake Shop case demonstrated. I have no doubts that if LGBT privilege ever comes into conflict with the peaceful practice of Islam, Democrats will side against Islam.

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Turtledove wrote:

-Paying fair share of taxes for all, the rich should pay a progressively higher tax, tax-cuts for the low and middle class and small businesses.

Democrats are not for tax cuts in any form.

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Turtledove wrote:

-Healthcare in this country modeled after any of the other first world countries of the world would significantly improved healthcare in this country.

At one time Trump was also a public supporter of single payer. Since then he's recanted, but I believe this was only to save face with the Republican base — I think that deep down Trump is still a single-payer guy. I hope you can at least admit the ACA was a disaster.

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Turtledove wrote:

-Smart gun control measures, as supported by the majority of Americans, not as supported by the gun lobby and their primary spokes organization, NRA. Like support for gun background checks and stricter gun control regulations.

Go read the Second Amendment. All gun control is unconstitutional, and although I might get behind a rewording of the Second, you're doing it wrong.

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Turtledove wrote:

-Greater investment in infrastructure development.

Greater than a trillion dollars? Because Trump wants a trillion in infrastructure development. The Democrats want less.

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Turtledove wrote:

-Pro-choice, let women have control over their own bodies.

The Democrats want legal third-trimester abortion and limited rights to infanticide.

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Turtledove wrote:

-Immigration reform including a path to citizenship

Trump has offered them this in exchange for the wall. Apparently the Democrats don't want it that bad.

Here are some Democrat positions you missed:
- Cold war with Russia and continuation of cold war institutions (e.g. NATO)
- military interventionism in Syria and other Middle Eastern nations
- refusal of peace talks with foreign dictators
- economic protectionism that harms Western nations and benefits non-western ones, because muh climate change
- internet censorship and deplatforming of political opposition
- support for corporate control of media

If this is truly what you think the democrats want, then you ate too many trumpills and are brainwashed.