ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Xavderion wrote:

If Democrats truly cared about their citizens, they wouldn't block border security in the Senate. They know if Trump gets his wall he'll win in 2020, so they're blocking it and putting their citizens in danger. They only care about not losing in 2020. And non-citizens, it seems.

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SnowCrash wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

If Democrats truly cared about their citizens, they wouldn't block border security in the Senate. They know if Trump gets his wall he'll win in 2020, so they're blocking it and putting their citizens in danger. They only care about not losing in 2020. And non-citizens, it seems.

If republicans cared about border security they would punish the people that hire illegals

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SnowCrash wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

If Democrats truly cared about their citizens, they wouldn't block border security in the Senate. They know if Trump gets his wall he'll win in 2020, so they're blocking it and putting their citizens in danger. They only care about not losing in 2020. And non-citizens, it seems.

If republicans cared about border security they would punish the people that hire illegals and use drones not some 25 billion dollar wall we learned how to defeat well over a thousand years ago.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Nizhidrhamannit wrote:

First I wanna apologize I keep intervening in your domestic debate, although it occassionally does get the international flavor, but your domestic problems, how can I put it, well they actually ain't all that domestic. Your... demesne, it spans the globe it seems, being the Super-Power (Woa), the almighty All-Seeing Eye, ever watchful, everyone's beloved big brother, and those domestic problems tend Not to remain domestic for too long, they export themselves and pretty soon become everybody's darling, (whether everybody like it or not). Not to mention of course that your great country also happens to be something of a beacon, the modern civilized world's Mecca, don't even know if I'm allowed to use the term, am I?

I'm really genuinely interested in this debate, this conversation between... Native Americans regarding their Supreme Lord Ichimonji... er... I mean Mr President Donald J. Trump, this whole endeavor proves to be very educational, in an amusing way too, it's kinda like watching porn, I mean you don't actually get laid, but it kinda... broadens your horizons, so to speak.

Who was that great philosopher who said that with great power comes great responsibility blah blah, steaming pile of dung, I think it was Roger Waters, what a boring sod!

Anyhow, pay no heed to me, I'm just the King's Fool, me... I'm an entertainer, are you not entertained, ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAiNED?

- Got the gist Lieutenant? (pronounced: Lef-tenant)
- Aye Sir, Paris when it sizzles!



EDIT: Silly me, Native Americans are actually... Indians, and that boring sod didn't say that, he said something about a... mother that takes you under her wing, keeps you safe and warm n all that steaming pile of dung...

nani

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Turtledove wrote:

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Khoranth wrote:

I hope the Democrats never cave and refuse to fund the wall. After 6-12 months, the alleged "government shutdown" will just be a joke, since 99.99% of people will be unaffected.

Hopefully a smaller government becomes the new normal.

Let's see what this really means.

From CNN article

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For the 380,000 federal employees on furlough and the other 420,000 working without pay, this means it's time to start making plans for how to pay January bills without the promise of their next paycheck as part of the government remains shutdown.

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The Coast Guard is the only military branch that isn't paid during the government shutdown; they technically are part of the Department of Homeland Security.

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While some federal agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency and Smithsonian museums were able to use other funds to remain open for the first week of the shutdown, as the shutdown enters week two, those funds have dried up.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/politics/shutdown-second-week/index.html

The Federal Judiciary will close down if the shut down extends past 3 weeks.

The IRS and National Parks that could see some pauses or breaks in service.

National Parks will likely be impacted. Check specific parks before planning any trips.

IRS services will be impacted. If extends long enough then tax return processing and refunds could be impacted.

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/20/18136667/partial-government-shutdown-post-office-military-passports

If the outage lasted for months then even those working in essential services would likely quit and find new jobs. So those services would suffer.

Of course the biggest impact would be to the 700,000 families that no longer collect their paychecks. Such an extended outage like Khoranth is hoping for would financially devastate these families. Many would likely be forced to quit and find new jobs which would make it difficult to reconstitute the 25% of the government that had been closed down for so long.

What has happened in the past on shorter outages is the back pay was given to both groups, those on furlough as well as those that were forced to work without pay. These government shutdowns in the past ended up costing us money not saving money.

Nothing good is likely to come from an extended shutdown like what Khoranth is hoping for. It is really Trump like thinking to even say such a thing.

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MrCoo1 wrote:

https://slate.com/culture/2018/12/donald-trump-ransom-letter-tweets-dead-children.html

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鬼殺し wrote:

White whale, White wall. Same diff. And Trump is truly a Mopey Dick.

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Khoranth wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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Khoranth wrote:

I hope the Democrats never cave and refuse to fund the wall. After 6-12 months, the alleged "government shutdown" will just be a joke, since 99.99% of people will be unaffected.

Hopefully a smaller government becomes the new normal.

Let's see what this really means.

From CNN article

"

For the 380,000 federal employees on furlough and the other 420,000 working without pay, this means it's time to start making plans for how to pay January bills without the promise of their next paycheck as part of the government remains shutdown.

"

The Coast Guard is the only military branch that isn't paid during the government shutdown; they technically are part of the Department of Homeland Security.

"

While some federal agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency and Smithsonian museums were able to use other funds to remain open for the first week of the shutdown, as the shutdown enters week two, those funds have dried up.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/politics/shutdown-second-week/index.html

The Federal Judiciary will close down if the shut down extends past 3 weeks.

The IRS and National Parks that could see some pauses or breaks in service.

National Parks will likely be impacted. Check specific parks before planning any trips.

IRS services will be impacted. If extends long enough then tax return processing and refunds could be impacted.

"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/20/18136667/partial-government-shutdown-post-office-military-passports

If the outage lasted for months then even those working in essential services would likely quit and find new jobs. So those services would suffer.

Of course the biggest impact would be to the 700,000 families that no longer collect their paychecks. Such an extended outage like Khoranth is hoping for would financially devastate these families. Many would likely be forced to quit and find new jobs which would make it difficult to reconstitute the 25% of the government that had been closed down for so long.

What has happened in the past on shorter outages is the back pay was given to both groups, those on furlough as well as those that were forced to work without pay. These government shutdowns in the past ended up costing us money not saving money.

Nothing good is likely to come from an extended shutdown like what Khoranth is hoping for. It is really Trump like thinking to even say such a thing.

You must be new to the forums, cause weve been saying this stuff for years before Trump was around.

Small government = better government: That sounds good to me!
I guess if your perspective is to constantly grow the government, and shrink the private sector, then this would be considered bad...

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Turtledove wrote:

But it sounds like your statement about it being good for 25% of the government to be shut down for a year was said more tongue-in-cheek and not to be taken seriously? You hadn't put anymore thought into your statement than Trump would put into it, hence "It is really Trump like thinking to even say such a thing."