[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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chaelp wrote:

Should I replace this shield? Get something with frenzy/endurance on block?

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Wukufyze wrote:

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Solmyr77 wrote:

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Wukufyze wrote:

Has a normal shaped/elder item ever dropped for you? Can they even be dropped in their normal item base? I haven't ever seen it. If so, you must assume that they aren't calculated before rarity because it goes against the entire premise of IIR

Irrelevant because of Stygian Vise, but I'm losing my motivation, too. Assume what you want but please refrain from disguising assumptions as facts.

Uhh, what? Vise is an abyss league item. We are talking about elder/shaped.


As for "assumptions as facts". You can and go ahead and quote me where I said it's all "fact", but you'd be hardpressed to find it. But I I'll go ahead and assume that IIR has been working the way it has since beta until told otherwise.

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Wukufyze wrote:

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chaelp wrote:

Should I replace this shield? Get something with frenzy/endurance on block?

I am using

myself and the chance to chill is nice but underwhelming. I think charges would be underwhelming as well since we only get 3. If I were to upgrade, it'd probably be for %mana on block to make MOM that much better.

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keroro800 wrote:

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grimjack68 wrote:

5L Vis Mortis is better than most 6L rares - unless you find yourself dying a lot, and need the extra life. The Vis Mortis gives you another Spectre, which boosts your damage by 33%.

Concentrated Effect should boost damage on SG's, however, it's not on the recommended list according to the Spectre Necronomicon, which means it either doesn't work at all, or it's effect isn't as good as the other gems listed.

Gear... seems like you have a LOT of resists. And Commander of Darkness as well. What's your total resists? One of your jewels is rather weak... the bottom right one. And your unending hunger - does it actually get the 40 int bonus in that socket? I'd swap it with the one right above Elemental Equilibrium. There's no doubt it gets 40 INT there.

Flasks... I don't find it useful to have Rumi's and another Granite. You can't use them both at once anyway. I'd rather use one of the ones that boosts your armour by a % on use:

As for what to drop... Have you considered picking up a Hungry Loop? You can put enough supports in it to make your SG's still clear really well, then gem up for TVs in your chest.

i see, well i just died twice so far, 1st at merciless, and 2nd at uber, because i suck at the trap,the rest of mapping are safe, my resistance now fire 133, cold 112,lightning 109,and i just realised, at unique boss i always keep using the GMP, after tried dropping the GMP once at shaped vault, its quite faster, and is it better to use slower projectile, or faster projectile ?

i think i'll stick with 4SG then, until i get hungry loop, or psuedo 6l, and use other gem like convo/golem at socketed ring, i have no yet tried any guardian or any end game bosses, because i havent get the map yet, thanks for the advice, i think i'll get better gem, oh should i use just 1 unending hunger ?

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grimjack68 wrote:

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popje wrote:

What do you guys think of invictus solaris over rise of the phoenix, I'm on xbox and rare shields are a pain to find.

Rise of the Phoenix is for farming Uber Atziri. Or Normal Atziri if you're still trying to learn the mechanics of the fight. Invictus is decent for the same thing, however, it doesn't give you that extra 5% fire resist, which using this tree and assuming you max your resists elsewhere, would put you at 81%, which is what allows you to survive her damage. Hopefully. Other than that, it's better in every way.

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popje wrote:

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grimjack68 wrote:

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popje wrote:

What do you guys think of invictus solaris over rise of the phoenix, I'm on xbox and rare shields are a pain to find.

Rise of the Phoenix is for farming Uber Atziri. Or Normal Atziri if you're still trying to learn the mechanics of the fight. Invictus is decent for the same thing, however, it doesn't give you that extra 5% fire resist, which using this tree and assuming you max your resists elsewhere, would put you at 81%, which is what allows you to survive her damage. Hopefully. Other than that, it's better in every way.

Thanks yeah thats what I thought, I am using rise of the phoenix right now and looking for an upgrade for overall mapping t11-16, can't afford tukohama and can't find a good rare one

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grimjack68 wrote:

Good thing you talked here first. Tukohama's shield has been nerfed pretty hard for TVs in 3.1, most of us don't think it's worthwhile any more.

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Deadbringer wrote:

why do you run 2 spectre setup? mortis+helm?