[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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Solmyr77 wrote:

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grimjack68 wrote:

As usual, it depends.

Mobs: Elemental Focus = 8% more damage than fire pen
Atziri: Fire Pen = 2.6% more damage than EF
Shaper: Fire Pen = 7.9% more damage than EF

I'm afraid you forgot EE again?

Ignoring other resist modifying factors I see your point. But EE should be taken for granted imo. And against negative resists, a 37% pen cannot beat 49% more. Not even close.

Dammit, my spreadsheet is getting too complicated. Good thing you're around to check my work!

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grimjack68 wrote:

5L Vis Mortis is better than most 6L rares - unless you find yourself dying a lot, and need the extra life. The Vis Mortis gives you another Spectre, which boosts your damage by 33%.

Concentrated Effect should boost damage on SG's, however, it's not on the recommended list according to the Spectre Necronomicon, which means it either doesn't work at all, or it's effect isn't as good as the other gems listed.

Gear... seems like you have a LOT of resists. And Commander of Darkness as well. What's your total resists? One of your jewels is rather weak... the bottom right one. And your unending hunger - does it actually get the 40 int bonus in that socket? I'd swap it with the one right above Elemental Equilibrium. There's no doubt it gets 40 INT there.

Flasks... I don't find it useful to have Rumi's and another Granite. You can't use them both at once anyway. I'd rather use one of the ones that boosts your armour by a % on use:

As for what to drop... Have you considered picking up a Hungry Loop? You can put enough supports in it to make your SG's still clear really well, then gem up for TVs in your chest.

i see, well i just died twice so far, 1st at merciless, and 2nd at uber, because i suck at the trap,the rest of mapping are safe, my resistance now fire 133, cold 112,lightning 109,and i just realised, at unique boss i always keep using the GMP, after tried dropping the GMP once at shaped vault, its quite faster, and is it better to use slower projectile, or faster projectile ?

i think i'll stick with 4SG then, until i get hungry loop, or psuedo 6l, and use other gem like convo/golem at socketed ring, i have no yet tried any guardian or any end game bosses, because i havent get the map yet, thanks for the advice, i think i'll get better gem, oh should i use just 1 unending hunger ?

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Wukufyze wrote:

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JumberPresen wrote:

I killed Shaper yesterday, first time ever, with my 4xSG setup.
The build works pretty fine, but my AG died in the first Shaper encounter. He died in a minute or so, even using Skullhead and using lvl 20 AG with minion life lvl 20 + empower lvl 3.

Also have a +2 minion level bone helmet, but seems more squishy with this setup. (Whitout the %regen and block from skull...)

So how do you manage guys to survive your AG in these hard bosses?

Am I doing something wrong?

For shaper it's all about using Convocation at the right time, namely: 1) To get them away from beam, and 2) get them in Zana's circle during bullet hell + making sure to not forget to having bone offering up especially during that phase.

My AG gem is level 24 slotted in with minion life and he has more than enough health to allow me leeway to use convocation when needed.

For Uber Aztiri, I honestly don't even try. 2 unlucky turbo Flame Blasts from her and its potentially lights out for any minion other than Elementalist Golems. Even my spectres die to her occasionally so I don't bother with AG.

OK, thanks for the info. I will try to keep him alive using convocation, and if he dies i`m able to kill shaper without AG so no problem.

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Nightstone13 wrote:

Rarity effects items. Quantity orbs. Im farming shaper/elder items ( Points at the helm ). Rarity helps there...

I need help with the bolded part. Could you provide a source for your assumption? I did a quick search but I couldn't find a clear statement.

You are implying that the "elder/shaped" property is rolled after succeeding the rarity roll to at least rare.

To me, it would be just as plausible to roll "elder/shaped" first and then auto-assign at least rare rarity. Think of Stygian Vises, they also always roll rare.

First theory means IIR gains quite some value, second means its value remains as is (as in << quantity).


@grimjack:
You're quite welcome. Checking numbers is basically my job ;)

And speaking of that: It's funny how many people are using the unique Stygian Vise with 2 sockets.

There are two ways to play poe... The pay to win meta ( Very popular and easy to spot - Think fully out fitted a week into a league ). Or earn it your self...

The abyss league is about items... Shaper/elder and abyss stuff. What effects getting rares? Who knows... Maybe its that thing called item rarity. Maybe GGG nerfed bisco drop rates because??? Hymmm maybe its because of rarity and not just quantity.

Screen shot last night from a t-13. Pulled 6 elder items out of it ( New high number ). 2 dropped out of the breach. Loot amount covered 2 screens ( Centered on 2 elder drops ). I left more loot in that map than I took out...

Notice how elder shaper items drop from ANY mob? Breach, abyss, etc. Hmmmm wonder what that could mean?

Large amounts of rares let you pick and choose items. Say you want that new pair of gloves? start picking up gloves and leave the swords, etc, etc.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OhOyU9J7K1c-xq4dotKgIxU-IwgNyO_9/view?usp=sharing

Don't let some dumbass who pays for their gear dictate your game...

NS

IMO TV specters seem to clear at a decent rate if you are dragging them behind you rather than pushing them in front of you. I Shield charge to the far side of a pack and use a lightning ball behind me so they drop their totems and then they try to catch up to me while I have moved on to the next pack. Also went minion cast speed jewels to speed up clear.

As for keeping an AG alive i have stacked minion %regen on abyss jewels. I am up to 8.1% regen for my minions. That is not counting the consecrated ground from the AG on block. 25khp AG has 2k hp/s(3.5k hp/s on consecrated ground). I may have overdone it.

As for how I am able to be a screen ahead of my specters without dying, my shield has %mana and %life recover on block. That + bone offering gives me 855 life and 220 mana every block. ATM I get 77/76 block when i use BO and rumi's. I want a level 21 BO to get 77/77. Mana on block also allows me to run no regen maps with ease.

My gear

Any suggestions to improve it?

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Nightstone13 wrote:

Spoiler

There are two ways to play poe... The pay to win meta ( Very popular and easy to spot - Think fully out fitted a week into a league ). Or earn it your self...

The abyss league is about items... Shaper/elder and abyss stuff. What effects getting rares? Who knows... Maybe its that thing called item rarity. Maybe GGG nerfed bisco drop rates because??? Hymmm maybe its because of rarity and not just quantity.

Screen shot last night from a t-13. Pulled 6 elder items out of it ( New high number ). 2 dropped out of the breach. Loot amount covered 2 screens ( Centered on 2 elder drops ). I left more loot in that map than I took out...

Notice how elder shaper items drop from ANY mob? Breach, abyss, etc. Hmmmm wonder what that could mean?

Large amounts of rares let you pick and choose items. Say you want that new pair of gloves? start picking up gloves and leave the swords, etc, etc.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OhOyU9J7K1c-xq4dotKgIxU-IwgNyO_9/view?usp=sharing

Don't let some dumbass who pays for their gear dictate your game...

NS

Quite a long way of saying "I don't know." ;)

You assume that IIR increases the amount of elder and shaped drops. I asked if you can confirm that.

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@gream: You have a nice list of three-stat-jewels for Solar Guards. I'm afraid TVs don't benefit from attack or cast speed. They drop a totem and that's it. The totem is another entity. Please confirm from someone who actually uses TVs.

Dragging and pushing definitely determines load out. If your dragging having max block is a must imho.

I push... Im always behind my horde. I also don't use bone offering except for higher end breaches or abyss or bosses. Flesh offering sends the pack in fast with me following.

Ball lightning with enfeeble and Elem weak always precede me.

The Tv's always lead with the zombies. The 3 flame golems have a tendency to stay near me and open up when I get closer. Mop up the trash.

Hit flesh offering and repeat on the next pack... I rarely get hit staying back.

Shows there are different ways of playing and it does not mean you have to have X item or max spell block as others have ignorantly posted.

Shield charge is the movement skill for dragging while pushing relies on flesh offering to get that horde moving.

NS

In my experience avoiding contact with mobs is much safer overall. On rippy map mods poe always seems to find a way of screwing you. Some huge crit followed by a second or a fireball or some other nasty mechanic. On abysses I have had the big mobs with the claw arms target me. Often 3 at a time. Much easier with a little distance...

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gream wrote:

IMO TV specters seem to clear at a decent rate if you are dragging them behind you rather than pushing them in front of you. I Shield charge to the far side of a pack and use a lightning ball behind me so they drop their totems and then they try to catch up to me while I have moved on to the next pack. Also went minion cast speed jewels to speed up clear.

As for keeping an AG alive i have stacked minion %regen on abyss jewels. I am up to 8.1% regen for my minions. That is not counting the consecrated ground from the AG on block. 25khp AG has 2k hp/s(3.5k hp/s on consecrated ground). I may have overdone it.

As for how I am able to be a screen ahead of my specters without dying, my shield has %mana and %life recover on block. That + bone offering gives me 855 life and 220 mana every block. ATM I get 77/76 block when i use BO and rumi's. I want a level 21 BO to get 77/77. Mana on block also allows me to run no regen maps with ease.

My gear

Any suggestions to improve it?

Killed Shaper on AHC, was pretty easy. Here's a video I recorded in case anyone is interested: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/216855732?t=08m42s

I'm considering trying Uber Atziri next. Never killed her on hardcore before though so it might be sketchy. Also kind of considering selling of my gear and rolling something new since Shaper was my league goal.

I can only go off what others are reporting for drops and what I was getting pre stacking rarity. I get more items now. If im seeing more thats good enough for me.

Rarity is so cheap and easy to get - Try it. Its that simple. I know... Trying something is harder. Its much easier to post doubt...

If stacking high rarity does not get you higher elder/shaper drops feel free to come back and call me a dumbass. Till then its all speculation both on your part and mine.

NS

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Solmyr77 wrote:

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Nightstone13 wrote:

Spoiler

There are two ways to play poe... The pay to win meta ( Very popular and easy to spot - Think fully out fitted a week into a league ). Or earn it your self...

The abyss league is about items... Shaper/elder and abyss stuff. What effects getting rares? Who knows... Maybe its that thing called item rarity. Maybe GGG nerfed bisco drop rates because??? Hymmm maybe its because of rarity and not just quantity.

Screen shot last night from a t-13. Pulled 6 elder items out of it ( New high number ). 2 dropped out of the breach. Loot amount covered 2 screens ( Centered on 2 elder drops ). I left more loot in that map than I took out...

Notice how elder shaper items drop from ANY mob? Breach, abyss, etc. Hmmmm wonder what that could mean?

Large amounts of rares let you pick and choose items. Say you want that new pair of gloves? start picking up gloves and leave the swords, etc, etc.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OhOyU9J7K1c-xq4dotKgIxU-IwgNyO_9/view?usp=sharing

Don't let some dumbass who pays for their gear dictate your game...

NS

Quite a long way of saying "I don't know." ;)

You assume that IIR increases the amount of elder and shaped drops. I asked if you can confirm that.

edit:
@gream: You have a nice list of three-stat-jewels for Solar Guards. I'm afraid TVs don't benefit from attack or cast speed. They drop a totem and that's it. The totem is another entity. Please confirm from someone who actually uses TVs.