[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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reagan247 wrote:

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wiwigvn wrote:

Doesnt matter. It's still so slow. SG all the way. I love Natt's build but we should admit that it's painful to clear with TV and WM now. Flame Golems are just extra costs which I rather spend on investment on SG's single target dps.

"Painful"? That's a bit dramatic... I have no issue with it.

Well, I don't know about "painful", however, have you tried both? I have. Both setups are useful. Depends on what you want to do.

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Deadbringer wrote:

Im curious,

Using solarguards, Fire pen VS ele focus? has a 6linked.



I was also wondering same question about why 2 flesh? While its fun to get max block when bone is up, your losing the speed that flesh offer.... SO unless its only used to proc some healing on AG and stuff? IM not quite seeing the utility here.

As usual, it depends.

Mobs: Elemental Focus = 8% more damage than fire pen
Atziri: Fire Pen = 2.6% more damage than EF
Shaper: Fire Pen = 7.9% more damage than EF

As for Flesh vs Bone, I'm running jewels with increased minion attack speed if you've used a minion skill recently, so I spam offerings. I use whatever makes sense at the time. If I'm facing a mob that pushes out damage like candy, I run bone. Otherwise, I run flesh.

Lots of folks run flesh all the time, and link a CWDT to Desecrate and then Bone Offering. Then when they take a big hit - as long as they don't RIP :) - they automatically switch to the defensive mode.

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filopator wrote:

Can anyone tell me if Tukohama's spectres work with anger aura? Thank you.

I'm pretty sure that anger doesn't buff DoT damage, which is what TVs put out.

hello,i run 4 sg, im planning to use 2 SG and 2 TV, because the unique boss start to get hard, especially at t13+, but idk what to do with the gem, what should i drop ? and what equip should i upgrade except getting 6 link on chest ? and i want to ask, are conc effect can boost the dps for SG ? because while i play with path of building, conc effect are boosting flame sentinel dps

this is my PoB link https://pastebin.com/5Y5a4GMs

and this is my current gear


EDIT* i have 6 link that have decent stat 99 maximum, 30 mana, some resist, is it better to use 6 link and drop vis mortis,or keep using 5l vis mortis ?

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reagan247 wrote:

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Doesnt matter. It's still so slow. SG all the way. I love Natt's build but we should admit that it's painful to clear with TV and WM now. Flame Golems are just extra costs which I rather spend on investment on SG's single target dps.

"Painful"? That's a bit dramatic... I have no issue with it.

Depending on taste, perhaps. I admit that I have not tried to invest into WM clearspeed more but it seems Natt himself prefers a combo of TV and SG instead and he should have tested more intensively than me.

Perhaps I will switch to WM again and invest more into abyss jewel to see if they can reach their 3.0 power or not.

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grimjack68 wrote:

I'm not going to argue with you about that - I'm currently running SGs as well. As far as I'm concerned, this build is fantastic just because of the ease with which you can swap to a different spectre type. If you want clearspeed, we have a spectre for that. Want to melt Shaper? We've got a spectre for that, too.

Honestly, if I were going to min/max this build, I'd likely run 2 SGs & 2 TVs, and spend the coin on jewels that buff both. Essentially replacing the Wikermen from the original build with SGs.

... mumbles ... actually, maybe I should do just that ... hmm ...

SG and TV combo are... okayish in my opinion. It seems to be somewhat average in term of clearspeed and slightly better than 4 SGs for bossing, if the bosses do not move much and you can keep AG alive to inflict chill. So in the end, I found that 4 SGs seem to be better.

What do you guys think of invictus solaris over rise of the phoenix, I'm on xbox and rare shields are a pain to find.

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popje wrote:

What do you guys think of invictus solaris over rise of the phoenix, I'm on xbox and rare shields are a pain to find.

Rise of the Phoenix is for farming Uber Atziri. Or Normal Atziri if you're still trying to learn the mechanics of the fight. Invictus is decent for the same thing, however, it doesn't give you that extra 5% fire resist, which using this tree and assuming you max your resists elsewhere, would put you at 81%, which is what allows you to survive her damage. Hopefully. Other than that, it's better in every way.

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grimjack68 wrote:

As usual, it depends.

Mobs: Elemental Focus = 8% more damage than fire pen
Atziri: Fire Pen = 2.6% more damage than EF
Shaper: Fire Pen = 7.9% more damage than EF

I'm afraid you forgot EE again?

Ignoring other resist modifying factors I see your point. But EE should be taken for granted imo. And against negative resists, a 37% pen cannot beat 49% more. Not even close.

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keroro800 wrote:

hello this is my current gear, i run 4 sg, im planning to use 2 SG and 2 TV, because the unique boss start to get hard, especially at t13+, but idk what to do with the gem, what should i drop ? and what equip should i upgrade except getting 6 link on chest ? and i want to ask, are conc effect are boost the dpsfor SG ? because while i play with path of building, conc effect are boost flame sentinel dps

this is my PoB link https://pastebin.com/5Y5a4GMs

and this is my current gear

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EDIT* i have 6 link that have decent stat 99 maximum, 30 mana, some resist, is it better to use 6 link and drop vis mortis,or keep using 5l vis mortis ?

5L Vis Mortis is better than most 6L rares - unless you find yourself dying a lot, and need the extra life. The Vis Mortis gives you another Spectre, which boosts your damage by 33%.

Concentrated Effect should boost damage on SG's, however, it's not on the recommended list according to the Spectre Necronomicon, which means it either doesn't work at all, or it's effect isn't as good as the other gems listed.

Gear... seems like you have a LOT of resists. And Commander of Darkness as well. What's your total resists? One of your jewels is rather weak... the bottom right one. And your unending hunger - does it actually get the 40 int bonus in that socket? I'd swap it with the one right above Elemental Equilibrium. There's no doubt it gets 40 INT there.

Flasks... I don't find it useful to have Rumi's and another Granite. You can't use them both at once anyway. I'd rather use one of the ones that boosts your armour by a % on use:



As for what to drop... Have you considered picking up a Hungry Loop? You can put enough supports in it to make your SG's still clear really well, then gem up for TVs in your chest.