Energy Shield and Life

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dephness wrote:

pohx had 33k es as a LL RF build. zero gear mirrored. all pretty meh gear.

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tlangas wrote:

A 33% nerf to base stats and mods is quiet hefty, but on top of that, a 33% nerf to the Discipline Aura, kinda kills it's use with other builds.
Essentially, it is a 40% cut. I understand 25,000 ES is insanely high, but wouldn't a cap of 16,000 or 17,000 be more acceptable?
Dropping an nuclear bomb on a problem, is a bit much. It's probably why we don't do it in real life, anymore.

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poe2407 wrote:

this is the first Beta run... thus the reason for the drastic changes and the reason why they are testing - this doesn't mean the changes are set in stone, they will change Beta testing is there for the purpose of testing the new mechanics and tuning them - you want to start off with a rather extreme setting like they have now and slowly work your way to a balance solution.

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ladish wrote:

Couldn't they have just started by nerfing vaal pact - es interaction? Probably would have been sufficient a nerf on its own.

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PsOfOs wrote:

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tlangas wrote:

A 33% nerf to base stats and mods is quiet hefty, but on top of that, a 33% nerf to the Discipline Aura, kinda kills it's use with other builds.
Essentially, it is a 40% cut. I understand 25,000 ES is insanely high, but wouldn't a cap of 16,000 or 17,000 be more acceptable?
Dropping an nuclear bomb on a problem, is a bit much. It's probably why we don't do it in real life, anymore.

Well,nuclears got rid of those problems though,didn't they?
It doesn't matter that some hundred thousands died,others live in their place.
Problem solved.

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poe2407 wrote:

this is the first Beta run... thus the reason for the drastic changes and the reason why they are testing - this doesn't mean the changes are set in stone, they will change Beta testing is there for the purpose of testing the new mechanics and tuning them - you want to start off with a rather extreme setting like they have now and slowly work your way to a balance solution.

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tmaciak wrote:

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deMoxE wrote:

So in a nutshell, the math proves GGG is going into right direction.

The problem is, that it will give small nuisance to extremely well geared builds, and probably have no effect to badly geared builds but spread havoc on mid range builds. As usual with GGG "balance"...

So what, one can say? The problem is that it has no effect for very casual players, they go to low tier maps anyway. It will has not much effect for traders having max rolled gear 1 week in the league.

But for players like me, who don't want to trade and don't have time to farm 12 hours per day, it's like "no more ES build fu***".

In legacy, I play CI regen staff occultist, with like 12K ES. Seems big buffer, but with 1K ES/s (and no leech) I can't do deathless Minotaur and uber Izaro is just dodable, and for sure not "trivial".

If I will go down to 8K (and it will be prolly so) I will not survive such encounters. No way...

So what, back to Juggernauts? This is famous GGG's build diversity?

Usual shit, as always since 2012, blah, blah, blah, balance and in the end, it's obvious that they don't really know, first, that they want, second, what they are doing.

Fortunately, I will have not much time to play over holidays anyway, better to spend them on beach than in computer room lol, so there is small hope, that they will clean up this mess a little until autumn.