Mechanical Questions Thread

Question about Elder and his influence.

If I have Elder and his guardian on the map, can they disappear? Yes, no, when, why?

Thanks for the answer! :)
Hi all

The bonus of Grip of the Council, Minions gain 20% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage.
I can gain this bonus if i get the node Spiritual Aid?
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Higorvilpon wrote:
HThe bonus of Grip of the Council, Minions gain 20% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage.
I can gain this bonus if i get the node Spiritual Aid?

No. That only works for Minion deal x% increased Damage and Minion deal x% reduced Damage affixes. Path of Exile tends to be very particular about how it phrases things. :)
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Hello for a while i have been wondering how effective would be focusing on penetration of 1 element that is fire.

Small quote from poe wiki about monster resistances:

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Monster base resistances are derived from the resistance group their monster type is in.

Monster resistances are not final and may be further modified by buffs, map mods, monster mods, auras, curses and other sources.

Monster resistances are capped:

75% to maximum Chaos Resistance
75% to maximum Cold Resistance
75% to maximum Fire Resistance
75% to maximum Lightning Resistance



On white map we take fire resistance that is base 75%

Using EE we bring it down to 25%
Using Combustion Support gem we bring it down to 6%
Using Fire Penetration Support gem we bring it down to -31%

From what i could find by searching a bit when your elemental penetration finally brings enemy to negative resistance using above penetration sources we would deal 31% more fire damage or 31% increased fire damage?

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dantemastertv wrote:
Hello for a while i have been wondering how effective would be focusing on penetration of 1 element that is fire.

Small quote from poe wiki about monster resistances:

"
Monster base resistances are derived from the resistance group their monster type is in.

Monster resistances are not final and may be further modified by buffs, map mods, monster mods, auras, curses and other sources.

Monster resistances are capped:

75% to maximum Chaos Resistance
75% to maximum Cold Resistance
75% to maximum Fire Resistance
75% to maximum Lightning Resistance


On white map we take fire resistance that is base 75%

Using EE we bring it down to 25%
Using Combustion Support gem we bring it down to 6%
Using Fire Penetration Support gem we bring it down to -31%

From what i could find by searching a bit when your elemental penetration finally brings enemy to negative resistance using above penetration sources we would deal 31% more fire damage or 31% increased fire damage?


A lot of wrong assumptions here =P.

Monster resistances are capped at 75%. But most monsters doesn't have that resistance, but they can reach it if they are buffed (map mods + rare monster aura etc.), but over-all this rarely happens.

Secondly, don't consider penetration as either Increased or More multiplier. It's basically a damage scaling mechanic that has it's own concept on the side.

If you would have a monster with 75% resistance, you are doing 25% of your damage output to that monster. If you penetrate 50% resistance, he is down to 25% resistance, you would then effectively do 75% of your damage output to that monster. In relation to the damage you would do without resistances penetration, penetration is like tripling your damage numbers on that particular monster.

For the question about -31% resistance, if a monster had 75% resistance (you only do 25% of your damage to him) and you down his resistances to -31% (you do 131% of your damage to him) if would compare to multiplying your damage by 5.24 times.
Thanks for explaining and correcting my wrong assumptions!
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With Burning, only the highest burn is applied to an enemy at a time.


Not quite correct. Burning from scorching ray does stack together. However, this is the only stackable burn as far as I know (searing bond stacking was removed a long time ago).
Last edited by i3igpete#2996 on Sep 14, 2018, 1:54:24 PM
Does the "Socketed gems are supported by level 10 Onslaught" vaal corruption work with the Unique Dancing Dervish/Duo minion. As the minion is the "Sword itself" and not a gem socketed in the sword.

Help pls.
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i3igpete wrote:
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With Burning, only the highest burn is applied to an enemy at a time.


Not quite correct. Burning from scorching ray does stack together. However, this is the only stackable burn as far as I know (searing bond stacking was removed a long time ago).


Thanks for correcting me ;) There is also Burning Arrow that has a jewel that enables two burns. That's the only other one I know
@dantemastertv
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Phenixer wrote:
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dantemastertv wrote:
Hello for a while i have been wondering how effective would be focusing on penetration of 1 element that is fire.

Small quote from poe wiki about monster resistances:

"
Monster base resistances are derived from the resistance group their monster type is in.

Monster resistances are not final and may be further modified by buffs, map mods, monster mods, auras, curses and other sources.

Monster resistances are capped:

75% to maximum Chaos Resistance
75% to maximum Cold Resistance
75% to maximum Fire Resistance
75% to maximum Lightning Resistance


On white map we take fire resistance that is base 75%

Using EE we bring it down to 25%
Using Combustion Support gem we bring it down to 6%
Using Fire Penetration Support gem we bring it down to -31%

From what i could find by searching a bit when your elemental penetration finally brings enemy to negative resistance using above penetration sources we would deal 31% more fire damage or 31% increased fire damage?


A lot of wrong assumptions here =P.

Monster resistances are capped at 75%. But most monsters doesn't have that resistance, but they can reach it if they are buffed (map mods + rare monster aura etc.), but over-all this rarely happens.

Secondly, don't consider penetration as either Increased or More multiplier. It's basically a damage scaling mechanic that has it's own concept on the side.

If you would have a monster with 75% resistance, you are doing 25% of your damage output to that monster. If you penetrate 50% resistance, he is down to 25% resistance, you would then effectively do 75% of your damage output to that monster. In relation to the damage you would do without resistances penetration, penetration is like tripling your damage numbers on that particular monster.

For the question about -31% resistance, if a monster had 75% resistance (you only do 25% of your damage to him) and you down his resistances to -31% (you do 131% of your damage to him) if would compare to multiplying your damage by 5.24 times.

I wanted to add a simple rule of thumb, and elaborate on the mechanic a bit:

Against enemies with 0 resistance, penetration acts like its own "more" multiplier.

For example:

If the enemy has 0 fire resistance, and you have...

- 120% increased fire damage
- 50% more fire damage
- another 40% more fire damage
- 35% total fire penetration
- enemies take 10% increased fire damage

...and you hit an enemy for 300 fire damage, the enemy takes:

300 * 2.20 * 1.50 * 1.40 * 1.35 * 1.10 = 2058.21 fire damage

Keep in mind this only applies to hits -- penetration has no effect on DoT damage whatsoever. If you want to get your burning damage past enemy fire resistance, you need to lower their resistance, like with the Flammability curse. "Enemies Ignited by Supported Skills have -19% to Fire Resistance" found on Combustion also works this way.

Hope it helps.



@Midgaard12
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Midgaard12 wrote:
Does the "Socketed gems are supported by level 10 Onslaught" vaal corruption work with the Unique Dancing Dervish/Duo minion. As the minion is the "Sword itself" and not a gem socketed in the sword.

Help pls.

It almost certainly doesn't. Whenever the game says "socketed gems", it means socketed gems. They're very literal about that.

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