Raise Zombie

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Mokihiki wrote:

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onefinemess wrote:

I keep hoping for new keystones that will allow sacrificing one type of minion for another.

For example:

*100% reduced number of zombies. +1 spectre per 4 zombies lost
*100% reduced number of spectres. +2 zombies, +4 skeletons
*100% reduced number of skeletons. +2 zombies or +1 spectre

I dunno, those #s are just made up, but something balanced. Some way to swap one type for another on a permanent basis.

Yeah I considered suggesting something like that for my eternal unique but uniques shouldn't "fix" something like this. It would work much better as a keystone.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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Allnamestaken wrote:

P.S. Why can we see minion life then on the tooltip?

Because that's feasible to fake - you (and therefore your skills) have a stats for minion base life, minion life increase, and minion total life as calculated from those.
That's feasible because life is a very simple calculation for minions, involving a simple calculation.
Damage stats make up fully half of the stat calculation files, and involve hundreds of calculations, in several layers, with far more inputs that we can't fake for minions like we can life, and even if we could duplicating all of those stats and maintaining separate ones alongside your own damage would be pretty much impossible.

As has been said before, displaying lots of minion stats in the character panel needs a massive refactor of what the character panel is (i.e. no longer just about the character) which is a huge task. It's planned, and will happen eventually. But not soon.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

A level 68 Raised Zombie (i.e. summoned by a level 20 gem) on a character with no specific minion bonuses, attacks for 468-1093 physical damage.

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Kunaak wrote:

the damage a percentage of the minions own damage? (of 468-1093 physical damage at L20)

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Uvne wrote:

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Mokihiki wrote:

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onefinemess wrote:

I keep hoping for new keystones that will allow sacrificing one type of minion for another.

For example:

*100% reduced number of zombies. +1 spectre per 4 zombies lost
*100% reduced number of spectres. +2 zombies, +4 skeletons
*100% reduced number of skeletons. +2 zombies or +1 spectre

I dunno, those #s are just made up, but something balanced. Some way to swap one type for another on a permanent basis.

Yeah I considered suggesting something like that for my eternal unique but uniques shouldn't "fix" something like this. It would work much better as a keystone.

Yeah, I agree here. There are already two summoner-specific keystones, which is a bit much proportionally, so I don't know if a keystone is quite the right solution. The fact that zombie and skeleton nodes are the same nodes, right down to the +1/+2 notables, means that there really isn't a such thing as a min-maxed skeleton or min-maxed zombie build. Each might as well use both, because you're skilled optimally for both. I'd really like to make a Skeleton King, but I know it would just drift into the usual minion hodgepodge as I leveled. I wonder if GGG has ever considered splitting off some of the nodes and areas of specialization? There's already a spectre-specific notable.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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Allnamestaken wrote:

P.S. Why can we see minion life then on the tooltip?

Because that's feasible to fake - you (and therefore your skills) have a stats for minion base life, minion life increase, and minion total life as calculated from those.
That's feasible because life is a very simple calculation for minions, involving a simple calculation.
Damage stats make up fully half of the stat calculation files, and involve hundreds of calculations, in several layers, with far more inputs that we can't fake for minions like we can life, and even if we could duplicating all of those stats and maintaining separate ones alongside your own damage would be pretty much impossible.

As has been said before, displaying lots of minion stats in the character panel needs a massive refactor of what the character panel is (i.e. no longer just about the character) which is a huge task. It's planned, and will happen eventually. But not soon.