Fate of the Vaal as Core Path of Exile 2 Mechanic

Can't wait to jump in!

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BlightDragon89#9329 wrote:

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bananenhose#7619 wrote:

I dont know if anyone reads this, but maybe someone can correct me.
Half of the temple tiles arent accessable anymore, because you dont want to ruin your hard earned progress, looping it with another snake.

You build a single 45 room "snake" reaching the architect and atziri, you fight the architect, 15-20 rooms are downgrading to paths.

Next run you clear the royal access chamber and kill atziri and now the other 15-20 rooms will downgrade to paths.

Within each Atziri kill, 60-70% of your temple will downgrade to paths?

If you want to rebuild your temple, because it not longer has any effects, you have to activeley "kill" it, looping your single snake.

So in order to "farm" Atziri and her uniques you can either go with a full pathway temple single snake build or rebuild it every other Atziri kill.

Only rooms that cannot be deleated will turn into paths. The entire idea is NOT to snake. So if you make a path to aziri, fight her and loose half the rooms, you can either have a large temple that has bait rooms if you will, or you can have your entire single line to aziri turned into a path. As I understand it.

i was thinking about something like this.

Not sure if that worked so here is another link: https://imgur.com/a/45gfW32

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BPJ2021#8950 wrote:

Since it is no longer deterministic, will you just kill the aritect or atziri and then start over everytime?

Yes, its being reduced to a brainless boring gameplay loop, where nothing you choose really matters, because everything you build is destroyed next turn. And extremely long loop too: we may expect one Atziri run every 15-20 temple turns, I assume?

In new economy, prices for Atziri's chestpiece and temple currencies must be sky high to justify involving in this torment.

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NyanLammi#2295 wrote:

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BPJ2021#8950 wrote:

Since it is no longer deterministic, will you just kill the aritect or atziri and then start over everytime?

Yes, its being reduced to a brainless boring gameplay loop, where nothing you choose really matters, because everything you build is destroyed next turn. And extremely long loop too: we may expect one Atziri run every 15-20 temple turns, I assume?

In new economy, prices for Atziri's chestpiece and temple currencies must be sky high to justify involving in this torment.

i dont think so. https://imgur.com/a/45gfW32 with this layout Architect and Atziri shoould be pretty farmable, without the architect moving and desytroying the snake.

It will eventuall crumble to pathways, but remain intact and wont loop. So a 0% boostes Architect/Atziri farm.

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bananenhose#7619 wrote:

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NyanLammi#2295 wrote:

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BPJ2021#8950 wrote:

Since it is no longer deterministic, will you just kill the aritect or atziri and then start over everytime?

Yes, its being reduced to a brainless boring gameplay loop, where nothing you choose really matters, because everything you build is destroyed next turn. And extremely long loop too: we may expect one Atziri run every 15-20 temple turns, I assume?

In new economy, prices for Atziri's chestpiece and temple currencies must be sky high to justify involving in this torment.

i dont think so. https://imgur.com/a/45gfW32 with this layout Architect and Atziri shoould be pretty farmable, without the architect moving and desytroying the snake.

It will eventuall crumble to pathways, but remain intact and wont loop. So a 0% boostes Architect/Atziri farm.

Nah, it will crumble to pathways and then erased after the first Atziri run, because Atziri bossfight causes huge destabilization wave of 50-70% rooms and paths.
And your snake is no more protected from that wave because you can't farm locks from spymaster rooms that became pathways now.

"It will eventuall crumble to pathways, but remain intact and wont loop. So a 0% boostes Architect/Atziri farm.
Nah, it will crumble to pathways and then erased after the first Atziri run, because Atziri bossfight causes huge destabilization wave of 50-70% rooms and paths.
And your snake is no more protected from that wave because you can't farm locks from spymaster rooms that became pathways now."

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I see your point.
So our technical solution would be, if locks remain, we do lock 1-3 spymaster each run or we lock 1 spymaster + 2 garrison next to him, to ensure we have a t2/t3 spymaster incl 2 t2/t3 garrison locked each run, to prevent them from downgrading to pathways.

Or we can go and grind the hell to rebuild this kinda snake each time after killing Atziri.

If option 1 fails us, the Bodyamour will be priceless, only available for 5 people in the world.

This whole temple thing is so "broken" they should just get rid of, nerfing it to 0.0001% its current power is no solution at all.

Lets see what the Temple Atlas Skilltree can provide, i really dont want to go back to mapping, its so unfun unless they fix/adjust the layouts of 90% of the maps

that didnt work, but the page told me too many quotes XD

not bad

I still don't understand why simple flat nerf of ground loot droprate won't solve all the temple problems.

Just apply 0.01x modifier to all ground loot quantity, on top of all existing bonuses. And suddenly fully built 77-room temple prints about 1 div average, having ZERO negative impact to game economy.

If you don't like flat multiplier, tie it with number of rooms. So that 10-room temple will have 1/10 of current ground loot, and 77-room temple will have 1/77 of its former glory.

What's wrong with this approach, WHY do we have to burn interesting game mechanics to the ground and not try to tune it down?

rip mirror farm

I think what he means was building the snake was fun, not that he agreed with the outrageous money being printed. Which is why he said nerf the rare currency drops from it. I think to them putting time into building the temple was good especially when afterwards it was rewarded for the time spent. While the temple also required a stronger build to go further and further giving you something to grind for and build towards which was something this game did lack btw. I think the temple will be fine. Though I hope it doesn't return as in 0.4 powercreep where anything decent was 700-1200 divines+