Maven fight easy, memory game too hard.
" True, not everyone uses popular builds, but still manage to put together amazing solid builds, even in ssf or hc btw lol, and bypass t16 alc&go after a few days, all without spending 120d on a build. So neither "meta" builds or hundreds of divines are really needed to engage with endgame. Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun. Last edited by Pashid#4643 on Jan 3, 2026, 10:12:21 PM
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" As a chronic relic build enjoyer, which is kinda solidly "does the job" and has never really been meta beyond that, I endorse this whole heartedly. Budget of about 50 chaos gets it full voidstone viable, budget of 5-10 divines gets it all uber viable. Take it to its conclusion and you can delve to maybe 900-1000 fairly comfortably. Its not a great build by any metric of speed or dps, but it handles everything except for 5% of hp/mp/es removed on hit. There are all kinds of builds like that you can slap together with random crap and it will clear anything quite fine (and I do claim my own is slaptogether rather than copy pasta because I'm playing crit, not poison). |
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" hahaha, take the best league starter skill earthshatter and invest 5-10 divs and show the video where you do all ubers. Good luck with that. There might be some bosskiller traps or mines build which works on that budget but it is certainly not the rule. To do Ubers on Earthshatter you would need a weapon that is alone much more worth than 5-10 divs on trade, you will also need hybrid suppress gear with good stats on it. Fractured t2 spell supress on t1 bases is probably around 5-10 div for a singular base, hahaha. Your general rules are just plain wrong. Even for the non uber maven fight spell supress would be very good and if you don't get that from the tree it's going to be more than 50 chaos. Certainly, there are sssf viable builds around which work with no invesment, but that's not the rule. If you can't tank cascade of pain while at the same time not being able to do the memoiry game under pressure then gl on 50 chaos budget. Some speed runner might do all voidstones with items for mthe ground but they play the game in a way that is not accesable for 99,99% of players. 50 chaos investment bow build just gets wiped out by any non tutorial pinnacle, 50 chaos investment RF build is still doing the boss in one year when they start now, haha. 50 chaos melee builds cry about melee being bad on the forum when they try a boss and so on and so on... Even if experienced players manage to do the bosses in ssf, they will usually have gear worth more than that on them which they crafted ore gambled or whatever. Last edited by Strickl3r#3809 on Jan 4, 2026, 11:13:31 AM
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Melee has been in a pretty good spot since tota league. LS zerker was strong before that but got boring. There are always bad archetypes of melee every league. Your idea of how it feels will depend on which style you're playing.
You can totally play ssf and invest 0 divines in an earthshatter build this league just using the tree for gear and do ubers. Having 6 portals makes a lot of things possible. Last edited by Lonnie455Rich#2087 on Jan 4, 2026, 11:40:00 AM
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" You seem to have taken the benchmarks I gave for the build I am playing, applied them to the build you are playing, claimed they are bogus for the build you are playing, and also claimed the build you are playing is the best league start build. Note that the benchmarks I posted are particularly for my build that I am playing and are not general rules. I question your reading comprehension, your judgement of how good a leaguestart build is, and your ability to make a build. If you can't cobble together a pinnacle capable build from league start on a 10 div budget using any weapon/defense combo of your choosing (and I'm being generous here by leaving ubers off the table), then you should probably stick to build guides. |
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I can do a pinnacle on 10 div ez, i can get voidstones with no inversment aka 50 chaos, but not ubers, lol. You said 5-10 div for ubers. Which is a laughable statement, unless you mean a specific bosskiller build that sucks otherwise.
Also, no invesment all voidstones is a very small fraction fo the player base, don't act like that's just what people do, because it is not. You are just boasting and posting missinformation and i called oyu out for it. Earthshatter is as of right now the best league starter, there can't even be an argument about this. It was already last league. Last edited by Strickl3r#3809 on Jan 4, 2026, 7:33:41 PM
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" I am talking about my own build, and I have in fact cleared all ubers on a 10 div budget multiple times with it. No misinformation here. Relics are a pretty solid general purpose setup for a one size fits all league challenges character. |
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" You can absolutely get a regular build ready for ubers with a 10d budget. Of course not every build as some archetypes are going to be more expensive than others, or some niche items cost nothing and perform perfectly fine, while more popular used items will skyrocket your budget. But even with the worst case of more expensive items you're not going to need multiple hundreds of divines to be Uber ready. Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun. Last edited by Pashid#4643 on Jan 4, 2026, 10:57:49 PM
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" In case you weren't in the know. You can dodge the bosses mechanics. You dont have to be able to facetank everything and kill the boss in 3 seconds. you can do ubers with 1m uber dps comfortably in sc. Also the tree makes all of your rare gear, you don't have to invest xxx divines into a build when the gear falls from the tree. Last edited by Lonnie455Rich#2087 on Jan 5, 2026, 8:31:45 AM
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" I'm a relic enjoyer as well and can confirm it is no problem doing ubers on a 10 div budget with semi-fast clear in maps. " Not sure what the boasting is here. Relic requires some setup but easy to scale for dmg but it will never be first to 4 voidstones. Earthshatter is definitley the fastest to maps and probably even 4 voidstones but you said it yourself, you hit a wall with the weapon at some point. Saying something is best league starter feels subjective. I don't play relic to be fast to 4 voidstones, I do it so I dont have to read map mods. |
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