Popular Opinion: In 3.28 League Challenges Should Require Solo Completion

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exsea#1724 wrote:

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Nomancs#6176 wrote:

The biggest FOMO in this game comes from async trade, where you’re punished for not running bots to snipe mispriced Magebloods at 1% of their value. Yet somehow we’re supposed to believe that something far smaller—like challenges—creates the kind of FOMO we should actually worry about?

Somehow I don't see some of you arguing to remove async because it promotes FOMO to a point people are willing to break ToS (and that is a way bigger issue).

No, challenges will be fine as solo only.

in my opinion, the reason why people dont talk about async trade fomo is because trade is an internal game mechanic.

if we're talking in game mechanic then theres a strong fomo to use meta builds because why the fuck not? if you're not meta you probably might not get far and use a lot of currency making a shitty build.

that is where the difference lies.

challenge fomo is something external from the in game experience.

see all the steam challenges? they dont give you any power whatsoever upon completion.

similarly league challenges dont give you any in game power upon completion.

its simply different and to compare the 2 are kind of... not a right thing to do? apples to oranges one might say.

anyway, i have mentioned players earning 40/40 poles every single league. some of these people rely on carries and have been playing this way for a literal decade. ask yourself. can you guarantee ALL of these loyal players would continue jumping into leagues if they feel like they can no longer achieve their 40/40 pole?

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Nomancs#6176 wrote:

I 100% agree that async trade—especially with bots sniping underpriced items—has a far bigger impact on actual character power, while challenges have literally zero impact on in-game strength.
And that’s exactly why it’s perfectly fair to compare those two forms of FOMO.

If we’re going to talk about what creates pressure on players, why shouldn’t we compare a system that directly affects power (async trade) with something that doesn’t (challenges)? One gives a real, tangible advantage; the other is purely cosmetic and optional. The comparison only highlights how the more impactful source of FOMO is routinely ignored.

We’re already losing players who feel PoE has become too easy and that challenges are no longer challenging. So yes, it’s reasonable to assume that reworking challenges could have a positive impact on the game. It might even attract more players to actually engage with them while they’re meaningful and represent real, skill-based accomplishments.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

ah so your point is, by creating more solo challenges we would appeal to the playerbase that cares for such things, meaningful challenges.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

the alt art rewards can be bought by the weaker players if they really want it. so the impact of FOMO is more or less eliminated.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

any change to the current structure to appease "actual challenge" enjoyers will definitely impact the 40/40 chasers in a negative way. i see a lot of people proposing a lot of changes with no regard to this issue.

and that is sad.

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Nomancs#6176 wrote:

Thank you for noticing, but isn't this whole topic about this?

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I noticed, you suggested alt art items that could contribute to RMT, and I am strongly against promoting RMT. I would like to 40/40 challenges show that player did challenges that were challenging by himself, and is not a wallet warrior.

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Can you explain how making changes to challenges to be more solo oriented and actually reflect on player skills, impact you? because indeed, current state of challenges is sad.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

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Nomancs#6176 wrote:

Thank you for noticing, but isn't this whole topic about this?

yes and i have addressed the topic. which is i support it and given my feedback on why it cant be changed.

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I noticed, you suggested alt art items that could contribute to RMT, and I am strongly against promoting RMT. I would like to 40/40 challenges show that player did challenges that were challenging by himself, and is not a wallet warrior.

existence of RMT is inevitable. whether you like it or not. unless of course the game is balanced around pure no trade and all single player accomplishments. if you are coming from the angle of being against RMT, you're complaining too late. the game already is balanced around trade and theres no going back.

i too would prefer players that achieve 40/40 challenges themselves but as i mentioned. you cant change the current system without hurting the playerbase.

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Can you explain how making changes to challenges to be more solo oriented and actually reflect on player skills, impact you? because indeed, current state of challenges is sad.

i find it sad that i need to repeat myself as i've already explained why we need to keep it as it is. i keep saying. if you change the current system, you may alienate the playerbase that comes into leagues for the purpose of collecting 40/40 totems or for the challenge mtx.

if you make it more difficult by making the challenges "uncarriable". players that are weaker would break their tradition and just choose to ignore the league and this could escalate to them just skipping poe entirely.

as i mentioned. if a person has been collecting 40/40 every single league and ggg changes the structure one league which causes this player to only be able to get may 37/40. the player's tradition of getting 40/40 is broken.

the player may simply feel that since the tradition is broken they might as well just stop the tradition and not play poe. and not playing poe also translates to potential loss of sales.

the counter argument is "it might motivate some of them to git gud". sure, i agree. it might, some might do that, but its likely more will just choose not to bother and just outright choose to no longer participate. its a loss of playerbase and potential revenue.

i dont find it sad that players want to change the structure. i find it sad that despite me explaining something so logical, people would discard it and just continue stubbornly suggesting things that would actively take away from what players have come to enjoy.

all suggestions of changing the current 40/40/mtx to become solo only is literally taking away something from a vast number of people who enjoy POE.

and up till now i dont see anyone proposing something that can cater to both player bases except me. that is sad. so much selfishness.