Popular Opinion: League Challenges Should Require Solo Completion

The solution is just go play ssf. Since ssf already exists, and people can already do self-imposed challenges, there is no reason for ggg to force these things on all players. Would just be a net negative loss of player numbers. There's a reason why SC Trade is the most popular mode, because ssf is boring and hc is a meme. The reason SC Trade is so popular is the freedom of doing whatever you want in it.

This is never happening, because its ridiculous to expect everyone else to play the game how you want them to. Nobody wants to be forced into a certain playstyle, and PoE is all about freedom of choice and player agency, playing the game and having fun with it how you want to. This would go against all those core concepts lmao

Game is getting lots of nice QOL and heading in the right direction thankfully, and Asynch trade is confirmed now so we'll have an even easier way of selling items so that's gonna make generating currency even easier.

Literally go play ssf or do the challenges yourself and brag about it then, it is nobody else's problem if you don't want to play the game in the harder way/modes already available, and trying to force everyone else to play SC Trade in a pseudo-ssf way is absurd. Its the easy mode of the game, completing challenges """solo""" but by buying gear from other players is no different than buying carries, all you're doing is paying for the player power instead of a direct carry lol, you're still relying on all those players to have all the items you need. So its never true solo unless you never trade and party up.

This is one of the reasons SSF was made, for people to play the game truly solo. it is quite literally in the name. There is no discussion to be had here, you either play SSF/do challenges yourself or you don't. Wanting to force everyone else to do it in some scuffed way is simply not happening. Because one of the best things about this game is the many different builds and ways to play it, and a completely valid way is paying other players divines for carries. Time to accept this fact and move on. They make a profit off it and you get what you want, its a player-emergent part of the economy. Literally people make boss carry builds and make their early league currency from that for their main build, or they do challenge carries. Or they do legion 5-way rotas. Its a huge part of the economy if you spend even 5 minutes on TFT.

Like, its already been explained in 1000 different times. At this point its boring to repeat it. The solutions to this "problem" already exist, and all this thread is trying to do is take away people's fun for no reason other than some weird gamer ego thing. It doesn't matter how other people enjoy the game lol, its like saying everyone should play HC because its the "correct" way to play and that they should "git gud". Makes no sense. Its just toxic and elitist, like literally who cares how people choose to play this game. That's the point? You can play however you want, stop trying to take away people's choices.

Anyway, can't wait to buy more carries for voidstones,bosses,t17s in 3.27. And give away free carries to people when I'm geared, its always fun. Simply one valid way of playing the game. And a part of the in-game economy too. Feels amazing to help out fellow players with bosses/challenges. And the people are always so wholesome too. If the game didn't have any co-op elements, I'd have quit Settlers League weeks earlier btw, the only reason I played so much was because I was having fun sharing challenge completions with people. And I was constantly getting full 6-man parties of people wanting them even late in the league lol, I even helped out some random dude by killing his Pirate boss for him when his ships were stopped, and that was fun too. All of that is a natural way to play this game, and its fun to many people. You'd know this if you spend time in global 820/TFT.


Just play SSF, or don't. And leave everyone else alone, we're all playing SC Trade in the way we want and not trying to enforce it on others. You can do the same. You already have the choice you want, and there is literally no reason to take away other people's choices of how they can play the game. You can already do challenges solo, 0 reason to try and force everyone else to do the same. This is why we have different gamemodes like HC? Because people who want to play it, can. And people who don't, just play SC. Its really simple.

Player agency is the whole point of this game, and taking choices away is pointless. This is what the whole atlas/atlas tree and endgame is built upon lmao, choosing what content you want to do.

Wanting to force other players to play how you think they should is elitist,toxic and not nice. Just let people enjoy themselves. And you can do the same, nobody is stopping you from doing challenges solo right now.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

The solution is just go play ssf.

Nah.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

This is never happening

Just how mercs are never going core, eh?

On that note: Bump for visibility. It is time for GGG to put back the challenge in challenges.

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Celestriad#0304 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

The solution is just go play ssf.

Nah.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

This is never happening

Just how mercs are never going core, eh?

On that note: Bump for visibility. It is time for GGG to put back the challenge in challenges.

Never happening, cus it would literally ruin the game for everyone who plays for challenge rewards. Which is a lot of people. That would be minus player numbers and profits for GGG, which makes no sense to do.

Go play SSF, because they won't ruin the game just to appease the 0.1% elitist players. HC,SSF and Ruthless already exist if you want the game to be harder, no reason to ruin everyone else's fun in SC Trade. Leave SC Trade alone.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Never happening, cus it would literally ruin the game for everyone who plays for challenge rewards. Which is a lot of people. That would be minus player numbers and profits for GGG, which makes no sense to do.

Go play SSF, because they won't ruin the game just to appease the 0.1% elitist players. HC,SSF and Ruthless already exist if you want the game to be harder, no reason to ruin everyone else's fun in SC Trade. Leave SC Trade alone.

How boring and small.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Literally go play ssf or do the challenges yourself and brag about it then, it is nobody else's problem if you don't want to play the game in the harder way/modes already available, and trying to force everyone else to play SC Trade in a pseudo-ssf way is absurd.

This has already been explained to you countless times, there’s a clear distinction between the opposing idea and what SSF is actually meant for.
So please, stop telling others to “just play SSF,” because it’s neither the solution to the issue nor the focus of this discussion. If you don’t have anything meaningful to add, kindly stop derailing the topic.
Several others have already pointed out that your discomfort doesn’t represent the majority you claim to speak for. This thread is about the challenge system, not about turning everything into SSF.

And if you’re so convinced that GGG will never change this, why the concern? You and I both know that GGG could address this issue in any league and finally push out some long-overdue improvements.
Because frankly, changes are needed, so stop pretending they’ll “never change anything.”

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Literally go play ssf or do the challenges yourself and brag about it then, it is nobody else's problem if you don't want to play the game in the harder way/modes already available, and trying to force everyone else to play SC Trade in a pseudo-ssf way is absurd.

This has already been explained to you countless times, there’s a clear distinction between the opposing idea and what SSF is actually meant for.
So please, stop telling others to “just play SSF,” because it’s neither the solution to the issue nor the focus of this discussion. If you don’t have anything meaningful to add, kindly stop derailing the topic.
Several others have already pointed out that your discomfort doesn’t represent the majority you claim to speak for. This thread is about the challenge system, not about turning everything into SSF.

And if you’re so convinced that GGG will never change this, why the concern? You and I both know that GGG could address this issue in any league and finally push out some long-overdue improvements.
Because frankly, changes are needed, so stop pretending they’ll “never change anything.”

Just play ssf.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Just play ssf.

Just don't click the thread.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Just play ssf.

For your concern, I already play SSF occasionally, however, this mode does not address the core flaws of the current challenge system. Kindly refrain from derailing the discussion by insisting others play a different game mode, this is the feedback section, and the topic at hand is not about SSF.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Game is getting lots of nice QOL and heading in the right direction thankfully,

Indeed, it's going into the right direction and GGG truly knows what's good and bad for the game. Hence they introduce mercs to the core at some point :)

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Its the easy mode of the game

I think you confuse easy mode with default mode. Trade league is popular because the core game is balanced around it. Players like you who think trade league is all about buying challenges don't even make 1% of the playerbase, cause most plsyers who play trade league do it to get rich and powerful, play the game on its core balance for better crafting and build accessibility, but not solely for buying challenges lol. Some may even play trade to explore the new patch for a day or two with friends before they quit until the next league happens.

If ssf had its own core balance it would likely be the more desired mode. Last epoch is a good example here with the minority playing MG lol

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And give away free carries to people when I'm geared

I think we're all eager to hear new complaints about what's wrong with the fresh league mechanic once individuals start to hit a wall :)

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Just play ssf.

For your concern, I already play SSF occasionally, however, this mode does not address the core flaws of the current challenge system. Kindly refrain from derailing the discussion by insisting others play a different game mode, this is the feedback section, and the topic at hand is not about SSF.

Well if you play SSF then this problem doesn't even exist. Its already solved, you can already do challenges solo. No reason to force everyone else to do it, except for some weird concept of "competition" or something like that. You are trying to take away people's fun, that's like saying the whole game should be Ruthless HC SSF by default. It would have 0 players within weeks lol

The challenge system is perfect as it is, and they only keep making them easier and easier every league too. They let you choose more mechanics to do instead of having to do certain ones, so you can just do whats most fun and still complete em. Its going in that direction ,and it ain't changing. Challenges also bring tens of thousands of players for the mtx rewards, making that cringe to get will turn away a lot of players, which means less profits for the game. So its never happening.

SSF exists already, also you can quite literally do challenges solo on trade anyway, no reason to want to force everyone else to also do it right? You can already do them solo. So there is no problem here.