You mean one needs to present you their credentials before you give any thought to what they say?:) It would be rather unethical to come to one project's forum with tales of another project, and for once I would understand moderators here deleting such attempts.
No, but if you keep saying "I also am an ARPG developer" it comes off as a call to authority. You are saying it in an attempt to add weight to your words, which, since you don't substantiate the claim, it doesn't.
I said it only after specifically being called out about this, never on my own. If you can find single post here with me bragging, will delete it immediately.
You mean one needs to present you their credentials before you give any thought to what they say?:) It would be rather unethical to come to one project's forum with tales of another project, and for once I would understand moderators here deleting such attempts.
No, but if you keep saying "I also am an ARPG developer" it comes off as a call to authority. You are saying it in an attempt to add weight to your words, which, since you don't substantiate the claim, it doesn't.
I said it only after specifically being called out about this, never on my own. If you can find single post here with me bragging, will delete it immediately.
And his point remains. If i said i was an amateur ARPG player trying to give opinions on how to fix Uber Maven giving wildly speculative and unverifiable answers, none would take me seriously either.
That's how you sound right now, no credibility, just baseless opinion.
And btw, you can easily not see where Maven is teleporting, another point you're flat out wrong about.
Ruthless should be [Removed by Support].
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You mean one needs to present you their credentials before you give any thought to what they say?:) It would be rather unethical to come to one project's forum with tales of another project, and for once I would understand moderators here deleting such attempts.
No, but if you keep saying "I also am an ARPG developer" it comes off as a call to authority. You are saying it in an attempt to add weight to your words, which, since you don't substantiate the claim, it doesn't.
I said it only after specifically being called out about this, never on my own. If you can find single post here with me bragging, will delete it immediately.
Now don't go putting words in my mouth I didn't say. I didn't say you're bragging, I pointed out the unsubstantiated call to authority.
But since you're asking, I remember you saying the line when you were arguing in favor of PTR in the Offline PoE thread. I am beginning to see a pattern, you know?
Anyway, that's all I had to say on that matter and if that wasn't your intention, you now have a 2nd hand impression how it comes off to others
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And his point remains. If i said i was an amateur ARPG player trying to give opinions on how to fix Uber Maven giving wildly speculative and unverifiable answers, none would take me seriously either.
That's how you sound right now, no credibility, just baseless opinion.
And btw, you can easily not see where Maven is teleporting, another point you're flat out wrong about.
My point also remains, you chose to drag this line further, instead of your 6 points about black bars from previous post which I responded to. You can consider me a 6-year child, it still won't change written arguments actually referring to the black bars.
Moreover, even if we abide by your logic, how should one behave on this forum? Will he/she be "taken seriously" without "calling on authority"?
Because right now it seems to work as follows: one states his opinion, others say "who are you to speak about such terribly complex things". If one says something about himself, others say "unsubstantiated call to authority we are not taking you seriously".
You won't like to hear this, but you're merely seeking anything at all to shut me out, which can also be called "no credibility". I could bring this kind of attitude to anything you say in other threads and start pressing on "GGG knows better, suck it up and btw forum may be closed, none here is competent enough to disagree with GGG":)
Finally, about Maven, I did non-uber version a lot of times just for eye candy battle (not for loot ofc), and seeing where she is was the least of my problems even though I had melee range character.
So much noise about rather or not the 32:9 advantage is a problem, all while completely ignoring the substance of the matter:
1) this is a noncompetitive PvE game
2) tons of advantages (hardware and software) are available to players who invest time or money into getting them
3) black bars are not an acceptable solution if 32:9 needs to be fixed
Specious argument after specious argument after specious argument. That's all the pro black bar crew has.
1 year, 295 days
Fix it
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Actually, what i did was simply repost the arguments made pages ago that we were supposed to "Take notes - this is how you actually make good arguments", which is even more hilarious you didn't catch up to. What's more hilarious is that the first thing
How this is still up for debate is beyond me. GGG put a limit in place because the game was never designed for such resolutions and actively broke the game. Just because it wasn't apparent to the average user doesn't mean those problems didn't exist.
Just from the top of my head, to name a few:
• You could see entities spawning in at the edge of your screen and position or navigate accordingly
• More often than not said entities weren't even properly loading in, t-posing wasn't uncommon
• As stated by GGG themselves, such resolutions caused unintended behaviour and fucked with their server load
• Major advantage, you could essentially offscreen packs and bosses with little effort
• Bosses don't have infinite enmity range, some could be offscreened without them even moving towards the player
• You couldn't click on the map or loot items beyond a certain area on your screen
There was even a popular case 4 years ago during the China race where the streamer Ventrua used a very wide resolution to offscreen Baran with Essence Drain during said race. He pretty much sat at the edge of the arena and slowly killed the boss without the boss even moving. This could be applied to many bosses and thus indeed is beyond broken and a unfair advantage. (https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/i7qq7n/ventrua_exploiting_ultrawide_in_china_race/)
32:9 and beyond working in the first place was an oversight. GGG most likely never thought of it and once they started to identify problems a solution was applied.
One could argue black bars are a bad solution but then again it isn't uncommon in the industry and much easier to implement than fixing whatever else gets broken by these ridiculous resolutions. Elden Ring also doesn't allow widescreen for these reasons. GGG did the right thing here.
Besides widescreen still works, 21:9 is a significant upgrade over 16:9 but doesn't break anything.
Take notes everyone - this is how you actually make good arguments.
I don't agree, as I've argued throughout this thread, that these points validate the decision to "solve" the problem by implementing black bars in the main game. I agree that 32:9 (and, I would argue, even 21:9) should be banned from races and PvP modes, but black bars are the laziest and most clumsy possible "fix" for the main game.
For one thing, it's an overstatement to say 32:9 broke the game. Every instance you mention of 32:9 "breaking" something in the regular noncompetitive modes could have been solved by bug fixes or fog of war, either of which would be a far better solution.
I also would argue that GGG's "my servers are melting" reasoning is complete nonsense and just them grasping at straws to justify a lazy design choice. This issue affects something on the order of 0.5% of their players. That's just not significant enough to meaningfully affect their overall server load. Also, it is not right for a company to pass problems on their backend off to their paying customers. Players pay GGG so they can support their staff and all their technical backend. Slapping black bars on player screens to save 1% server load is not acceptable, particularly for a company their size.
GGG did the lazy thing here, not the right thing. Bug fixes and/or possibly a fog of war or FoV system would be GGG doing the right thing.
So far haven't seen an argument against what I said 2 pages ago, about why the rest of black bars solution working rather poorly and should either be fixed or removed.
There are no defensible arguments in favor of black bars, and none have been offered in 1 year, 291 days.
Fix it.
Actually downright toxic.
And since you asked, authority is meaningless, facts is what dictates conversations. Someone can be the best coder in the world, but even that person isn't immune to mistakes or being wrong, that's why "call to authority" is one of the oldest and dumbest fallacies.
I'm not shutting anyone out, i'm asking to stick to the facts, and the facts are, the people against you shoot facts and you shoot opinions. Fact: more screen = more information. Your opinion: it's not advantageous. Fact: the devs never intended for anyone to see the cut out for animations. Your opinion: We want to see it anyway. Fact: we directly say something objectively. Your opinion: you cherry pick and evade, then cry when we do the same.
Discussions are meant to enlighten both parties to reach a consensus and discover the truth. What's obvious for anyone is that all of you don't give a fuck about truth. You don't care about GGG, how much they would need to change the game to fit your needs, or how much it would cost, even still seeing things they, again, never meant anyone to see past a certain point, you only care that your toy got taken away and want it back by any means necessary. And THAT is the fact.
The very fact that tackle doesn‘t address any of that should tell you enough, AdRon. That‘s why I started pasting the same comment every time he says „no good arguments are being offered“ which is highly disrespectful for anyone partaking in the somehow still ongoing discussion
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
Indeed, that last phrase was just a reply in the same coin.
To be fair, this is a last ditch effort to try and cut the bullshit and lay all the cards on the table with Echo, which i'm sensing it won't work either, but as he said, one can hope.
Ruthless should be [Removed by Support].
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So much noise about rather or not the 32:9 advantage is a problem, all while completely ignoring the substance of the matter:
1) this is a noncompetitive PvE game
2) tons of advantages (hardware and software) are available to players who invest time or money into getting them
3) black bars are not an acceptable solution if 32:9 needs to be fixed
Specious argument after specious argument after specious argument. That's all the pro black bar crew has.
1 year, 295 days
Fix it
1. It is competitive both in-game economy and irl with racing. Just because you don't play it competitively doesn't magically make it so.
2. Those advantages don't rely on breaking the game.
3. black bars aren't bad, if you think they are so bad just buy a new monitor.
Ignoring any argument and calling it specious is all you can do.
1 year 295 days since GGG fixed the resolution issue. Thank you GGG
