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Viktranka wrote:

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Mazino_Urek wrote:

I've been talking to people about the "best" bow. This shit is so hard to make it's not even funny. You spend like 70ex crafting it to a certain point and then you have to gamble with a 1 in 5 anul. Someone apparently spent 200ex and didn't get it yet. A friend of mine really wants to make this and even finished crafting AoE on his rings + quiver to support the 9th arrow. But the more I look at it the more I feel like its a wasted cause.

I bet most of the ones that were made and exist on the market were done before the 3.11.1 patch that "fixed" the guaranteed +arrow craft abusing the tag inconsistency (i.e. you could craft cannot roll attack modifiers and slam "add attack mod" and it would add the arrow, even though theoretically you shouldn't be able to add an attack mod if you blocked it in the first place).

There was also some other abuse with fracturing a mod, not sure if I remember correctly but you could attempt to fracture a mod and if it hit a crafted mod you could erase it from the bench and the fracture would "move" to the next available affix (prefix or suffix). That also got fixed.

Imo if someone has the currency best bang for your buck would be fishing for nice synth implicit. This thing with trying to annul multimod to squeeze an extra mod seems a bit hardcore...

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lolipop710 wrote:

Need someone to enlighten me. There is a Toxic Rain Trickster saying that adding arrows are useless because we hit averagely 4-5 pods per shot.. So 8 arrows are pretty much overkill and the DoT DPS for 8 overlapping pods from PoB is a lie?

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lolipop710 wrote:

Need someone to enlighten me. There is a Toxic Rain Trickster saying that adding arrows are useless because we hit averagely 4-5 pods per shot.. So 8 arrows are pretty much overkill and the DoT DPS for 8 overlapping pods from PoB is a lie?

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Shani wrote:

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lolipop710 wrote:

Need someone to enlighten me. There is a Toxic Rain Trickster saying that adding arrows are useless because we hit averagely 4-5 pods per shot.. So 8 arrows are pretty much overkill and the DoT DPS for 8 overlapping pods from PoB is a lie?

Well, it isn't IF you can get them all to overlap, which is why stacking +AoE is important. It's why I target walls, corners, etc. so there's less potential area for the shots to fall. And why I love maps like Toxic Sewers. I think there was a post somethere in this thread that estimated every 50% AoE was enough to compensate for +1 Arrow.

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Mazino_Urek wrote:

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lolipop710 wrote:

Need someone to enlighten me. There is a Toxic Rain Trickster saying that adding arrows are useless because we hit averagely 4-5 pods per shot.. So 8 arrows are pretty much overkill and the DoT DPS for 8 overlapping pods from PoB is a lie?

The entire reason we go PF and get AoE large clusters is so that we have AoE to overlap 8 arrows. Tricksters can't do this. Trickster TR "guides" are just wrong cause they don't scale TR the right way.

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lolipop710 wrote:

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Shani wrote:

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lolipop710 wrote:

Need someone to enlighten me. There is a Toxic Rain Trickster saying that adding arrows are useless because we hit averagely 4-5 pods per shot.. So 8 arrows are pretty much overkill and the DoT DPS for 8 overlapping pods from PoB is a lie?

Well, it isn't IF you can get them all to overlap, which is why stacking +AoE is important. It's why I target walls, corners, etc. so there's less potential area for the shots to fall. And why I love maps like Toxic Sewers. I think there was a post somethere in this thread that estimated every 50% AoE was enough to compensate for +1 Arrow.

Where can I see how many % AoE I have?

Spoiler

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lolipop710 wrote:

Need someone to enlighten me. There is a Toxic Rain Trickster saying that adding arrows are useless because we hit averagely 4-5 pods per shot.. So 8 arrows are pretty much overkill and the DoT DPS for 8 overlapping pods from PoB is a lie?

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Remicaster1 wrote:

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lolipop710 wrote:

Need someone to enlighten me. There is a Toxic Rain Trickster saying that adding arrows are useless because we hit averagely 4-5 pods per shot.. So 8 arrows are pretty much overkill and the DoT DPS for 8 overlapping pods from PoB is a lie?

Honestly I felt like those people are people that don't understand what is going on with the build and how Toxic Rain works. It's pretty much the same people who thinks Pathfinder just sucks without any sort of reason, Quill Rain sucks because everyone says so and never tried it etc. Basically these are the "reddit" people who thinks they know everything.

But yeah, the reason why we want additional AoE is because we can get the overlap, as we have a free 50% Inc AoE from PF ascendancy. Then another near 50 from Carcass Jack, then another 50% from cluster jewels (x2 Broadside).

Honestly, I am not sure why there are some guides and people keep spreading these misinformation, at this point it's disinformation already. Especially the one that keeps saying PF sucks for several leagues and never change his mind on it, even there's video proof shown to him, he'd still say Pathfinder sucks, so I guess this is a bit... um..., yeah you know. They just get positive feedback because they can easily get away from making a mediocre guide on a good build that is not punishing.

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Mazino_Urek wrote:

Its great when they never showcase these builds in T19 maps with like triple phys as extra + double beyond + 100% delirium etc. Or you know killing sirus 8 on a budget easily. :)

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Viktranka wrote:

You can get +2 from bow, +1 from quiver (+2 if corrupted for another extra arrow, mega rare tbh), +1 from helmet enchant... All of these add to the price of the item.