[3.21] Vatinas' Spiders + HoP Guardian - CI, 70K armour, 1400 ES on block, millions of DPS

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dennisleetw wrote:
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Dyslate wrote:
This build is really great! I loved the great linear progression of minmaxing and upgrading the build.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Dyslate/TemplarBotting?i=0&search=name%3Dtemplar

Did some upgrade i swap from astramentis to a custom int +lvl amulet
This can get you really good damages (cost: arround 14 exalted to craft)



Working really fine, can kill all bosses fast, and have a good clear in juicy T16. (that will do maven in less than 3 min, or sirus 9 in less than 5 min)

Could still get some upgrade, as awakened multistrike on my chest, or +1 sentinel on my memory vault.

But still, a really good build ty for sharing it!


A really nice double corrupted Skin of the Loyal and two "+1 level *** gems" for Amulet. I can't afford it. Do you think is it possible to beat Maven without this modifiers? I tried it once but failed in degen ground. Also, I have hard time to constantly raise 20 spiders during boss fight.

The best way is 2* desecrate + spell cascade , and cyclone to max stacks, and use 1 * withering jar. However, when they are more than 4 bosses in a very small arena(in 10 bosses fight), I always fail to do this procedure smoothly. Sometimes I just go into and too busy in dodging attacks or just go in and got one shot. Any suggestions?

Q1: Is there any way to raise spider smoothly? Someone say use orb of storm, waht do you think?

Q2: Impale + Dread Banner is better than BloodDust?
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Zerber wrote:

So im kinda collecting 160% minion damage Timeless Jewels:

Gem socket left of the witch start:
85900 Coins gives 160% for 4 points. (This one is really good because one of the pathing nodes is the small mana/life nodes that gets converted to mana with healthy mind so you could argue it only costs 3 points.


I bought this, and I'm not seeing any Slumlords in that socket... am I missing something? Did the corrupution affect it? Or does the name matter as well (which I thought only affected what the keystones turn in to).

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dennisleetw wrote:

The best way is 2* desecrate + spell cascade , and cyclone to max stacks, and use 1 * withering jar. However, when they are more than 4 bosses in a very small arena(in 10 bosses fight), I always fail to do this procedure smoothly. Sometimes I just go into and too busy in dodging attacks or just go in and got one shot. Any suggestions?


I haven't done a 10 boss fight, but ever since I realized I needed to do 1-2 desecrates first, spiders haven't been an issue for me. I just pop Molten Shell and maybe a flask or two and that keeps me pretty safe.

I have just under 7K ES and 68K armor, if that helps. Spent maybe 10ex total on the build so far though a lot of that came from swapping out items so it might be less in total. DPS is my main issue as I don't have all the things to get + gem level yet. Haven't even reached Sirus so I have a bit of time yet. :P
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Zerber wrote:

So im kinda collecting 160% minion damage Timeless Jewels:

Gem socket left of the witch start:
85900 Coins gives 160% for 4 points. (This one is really good because one of the pathing nodes is the small mana/life nodes that gets converted to mana with healthy mind so you could argue it only costs 3 points.


I bought this, and I'm not seeing any Slumlords in that socket... am I missing something? Did the corrupution affect it? Or does the name matter as well (which I thought only affected what the keystones turn in to).



Did you put it into the right slot its the slot left from the witch start, close to mind over matter? It turns arcanist's dominion and shamanistic fury into slum lord.
Last edited by Zerber on Feb 22, 2021, 6:25:27 AM
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Zerber wrote:
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Zerber wrote:

So im kinda collecting 160% minion damage Timeless Jewels:

Gem socket left of the witch start:
85900 Coins gives 160% for 4 points. (This one is really good because one of the pathing nodes is the small mana/life nodes that gets converted to mana with healthy mind so you could argue it only costs 3 points.


I bought this, and I'm not seeing any Slumlords in that socket... am I missing something? Did the corrupution affect it? Or does the name matter as well (which I thought only affected what the keystones turn in to).



Did you put it into the right slot its the slot left from the witch start, close to mind over matter? It turns arcanist's dominion and shamanistic fury into slum lord.


It's definitely in that slot. They get turned in to Chitus' Heart and Eternal Adaptiveness...
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dennisleetw wrote:
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dennisleetw wrote:

A really nice double corrupted Skin of the Loyal and two "+1 level *** gems" for Amulet. I can't afford it. Do you think is it possible to beat Maven without this modifiers? I tried it once but failed in degen ground. Also, I have hard time to constantly raise 20 spiders during boss fight.

The best way is 2* desecrate + spell cascade , and cyclone to max stacks, and use 1 * withering jar. However, when they are more than 4 bosses in a very small arena(in 10 bosses fight), I always fail to do this procedure smoothly. Sometimes I just go into and too busy in dodging attacks or just go in and got one shot. Any suggestions?

Q1: Is there any way to raise spider smoothly? Someone say use orb of storm, waht do you think?

Q2: Impale + Dread Banner is better than BloodDust?



I could still do maven and sirus 9 without the skin of the loyal double corrupted, or the double +1 ammy gems

But that gives you more damage so it's faster. Progression is linear and base build can still do anything.

Q1: 3 desecrate then flask and cyclone, not so smooth but i can have 20 spiders everytime i wanna have them.

Q2: impale + dread banner < Bloodlust
But Anomalous Impale Support + Divergent dread banner > Bloodlust
With that you get 85% impale, and that gives you tons of damage.

Moreover there is still an upgrade if you take some cluster jewels with "Rotten Claws" you can get closer to 100%
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It's definitely in that slot. They get turned in to Chitus' Heart and Eternal Adaptiveness...


Ok sry I made a mistake its 84900 and not 85900 :/
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Zerber wrote:
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It's definitely in that slot. They get turned in to Chitus' Heart and Eternal Adaptiveness...


Ok sry I made a mistake its 84900 and not 85900 :/


Oooof, ouch, okay. Well, I guess someone had to be the first to discover that.
i scan every day, many hours per day for this jewel. i scan for 4 numbers:84900, 27400, 84820 and 103860 BUT Nobody sell these jewel, that's insane ^^.

If someone got one to sell i'm here :)
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Froglure wrote:
This build looks really interesting but I wanted to ask how big of a dps loss it would be if I used Cyclone with CwC/Desecrate/Offering.


Can anyone give me some insight?

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