[3.21] Vatinas' Spiders + HoP Guardian - CI, 70K armour, 1400 ES on block, millions of DPS

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Anyone experimented with any alternatives to the carrion golem link in shield?

I've noticed the guide author seems to have anomalous holy relic > divergent feeding frenzy > anomalous CwDT in their shield too, curious if that's working out better than the golem


I've been using that setup and I don't know about how efficient or better it is in terms of damage, but the quality of life that came from using a minion that don't kill the damn worms is priceless for me
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Anyone experimented with any alternatives to the carrion golem link in shield?

I've noticed the guide author seems to have anomalous holy relic > divergent feeding frenzy > anomalous CwDT in their shield too, curious if that's working out better than the golem


It's working great. I'm planning to add it to the guide soon. :)
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Vatinas wrote:
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Anyone experimented with any alternatives to the carrion golem link in shield?

I've noticed the guide author seems to have anomalous holy relic > divergent feeding frenzy > anomalous CwDT in their shield too, curious if that's working out better than the golem


It's working great. I'm planning to add it to the guide soon. :)


I decided to swap to the holy relic and it seems good for me too.
WTS this build.

8k ES/70k armor, more then 5.5 mln sirus dps.
Reached 50% of 99 lvl and have some bored.

The most valuable pieces are:
1. 2 rings with cold and lightning resists in implicits and 24% reducing reservation.
2. skin of the loyal with +2 duration and +1 all gems.
3. double determination jewel.

Another are not so cool, but not bad. Сan sell a build both in pieces and as a whole, while I have not sold anything yet.
Pm me if u are intresting in it.

PoB is here:
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UPD: 10/20/20 - Economy has been destroyed. Not for sale.
Last edited by gelion228 on Oct 20, 2020, 2:18:57 PM
Really like this build but can't help but think that this is one of those builds that might play a bit different on the Xbox vs PC. So I am looking to hear back from Xbox/PS4 players for feedback to anything that they might have altered as we have to work these buttons and triggers and we also can't easily target anything across the screen like a PC-mouse can.

Overall I like the build a lot. But when I die I still die so freaking fast that its hard to know why. I attempted to do a VAAL Temple map run the other day and the map boss shredded me like nothing. Any idea why?

Thanks for build
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Vatinas wrote:
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Anyone experimented with any alternatives to the carrion golem link in shield?

I've noticed the guide author seems to have anomalous holy relic > divergent feeding frenzy > anomalous CwDT in their shield too, curious if that's working out better than the golem


It's working great. I'm planning to add it to the guide soon. :)


Hey, i just got to lvl 98 with this build and am loving it so far. I have two questions though:

1: Why would Summon Holy Relic be better than Summon Carrion Golem? To me it seems that we are loosing minion dmg if we switch to Holy Relic. I can see the quality of life though since Carrion Golem seems to really hate the worms.

The second question is which blue gem to add if we get a 3r3b Skin of the Loyal with +gem lvl implicit on it.
Holy Relic not killing the worms is really big, but there's a couple extra benefits too:

Seems to die less (annecdotal)
Cooldown is reduced
These two mean self-casting becomes much more viable (Iwas self-summoning the golem anyway). This frees up a gem slot, which can be used for one of the new alternate gems with a damage boost

It also links feeding frenzy to your attacks as they trigger the holy relic, rather than the golem attacks which seems more reliable / consistantly up.

For a third blue, there really isn't much good (and those which are half decent have high mana multiplier so would need other pieces moved about), I'd avoid that one if you haven't already purchased it.
any idea how else to do this six link, unfortunately i am not able to get 4r2b linket chest piece (i have two 24 discount rings and shamelessly copied holy relic/clarity combo from mr. Vatinas and it is rocking)


also anyone having problem with two different predator support gems, i mean one normal and one alternate in hop link, if i use mark from the res one, the spiders seems to not register that, or are very lazy, donnow
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sunbm wrote:
any idea how else to do this six link, unfortunately i am not able to get 4r2b linket chest piece (i have two 24 discount rings and shamelessly copied holy relic/clarity combo from mr. Vatinas and it is rocking)


also anyone having problem with two different predator support gems, i mean one normal and one alternate in hop link, if i use mark from the res one, the spiders seems to not register that, or are very lazy, donnow


Switch Impale with Vile Toxins it make a miracle...
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NessajStorm wrote:


Switch Impale with Vile Toxins it make a miracle...


problem is mana multiplier, vile toxins have only 120% and i was exchanging minion damage (130) with impale (also 130)

well actually i can level clarity now more, to have most of the reserved mana (almost everything is tied to reserved mana in this build :o)
Last edited by sunbm on Oct 21, 2020, 5:23:38 AM

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