[3.21] Vatinas' Spiders + HoP Guardian - CI, 70K armour, 1400 ES on block, millions of DPS

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Toyah wrote:

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FLOYDIEBOM wrote:

Hey guys, appreciate the tips. I didn't see it in the guide but when are we supposed to go CI? Also if anyone knows how to search for anomalous predator I'd love to know, because I can't find it on poe ninja. I'd love to get one for the build.

Thanks.

just type "Anomalous Predator" into poe.trade

then hit enter twice

I've had the same problem. I can't even find Predator Support at all from poe.trade. I've made sure it's a fresh search with no any weird criterias in the search. Tried a different browser with no difference.

Edit: Well I guess I need to use the official trade site from now on. There was a dropdown menu with alt qualities for skillgems and I found the Anomalous Predator.

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It's mentioned in the levelling section that you should go CI when you get Aegis + decent armour, basically. There's no "rule" for it though; what I do (on every CI build, not just this one) is play normally, and when I see that I can avoid losing all my ES easily and that the main danger I face is chaos damage, I go CI. :)

As for the alternate quality gems, you have a filter for it on the trade site in the "miscellaneous" category, third line. :)

Holy shit, thanks a lot man. I never knew you could look them up like that. Judging from what you said I'm very close to CI. I appreciate the help man.

Also, appreciate the community presence here. I've learned a lot reading these forums.

Just did my first ever Aul fight and only had a quick look at the fight on youtube from ZiggyD. Didn't really get into much trouble.

@Vatinas: Clipped the fight in case you want to put it up as an endgame kill. Still has some guild mates talking and trade alerts unfortunately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwfoO-D_3NM

Hi i have question about 6L HoP why you use Ruthless and not Awakened Multistrike/Multistrike or Awakened Melee Physical or Melee physical ?

PS: Vile toxins is better too then Ruthless on paper.

Regars Mike

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NessajStorm wrote:

Hi i have question about 6L HoP why you use Ruthless and not Awakened Multistrike/Multistrike or Awakened Melee Physical or Melee physical ?

PS: Vile toxins is better too then Ruthless on paper.

Regars Mike

Mana multiplier. :)

Only this nice it can be easy solved. Thx

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Nashiq wrote:

There is despair in hit gloves for 10 chaos. You do NOT need vulnerability. Use divergent maim with your cyclone.
Despair is just as good as vuln as long as you're keeping up your spirit offering. Before you invest heavily into sentinels it's better than vuln because most of your damage is spiders and they do chaos. You can also modify the gloves via the bench so sockets don't matter.

when do sentinels start to better than spider? i got empower only lvl 3, and from my rings, only one givime more sentinel damage (only 76%)... that means my speiders are still better? ( my impression is yes)...

sentinels get better than spiders only with empower lvl 4 and both rings with 90%+ sentinel damage?

thx alot...

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Vatinas wrote:

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Negailestingazzz wrote:

Hi,

First of all - i got to say the build guide is absolutely best i have ever seen or used. By far. Very well done sir.

Playing spiders is such a blast! I am glad that i find your build.
I have brought in Heist now to lvl95.

Its very rare when i die but when i do 99% of the time is due to the ... DAMN Carion.. You teleport to new location - no spiders no herald, you forget to do weapon swap trick, and sometimes you just die cause first spider spawns are canceled by carrion.

So i decided to look for alternatives for Carion and to use suggested Punishment in 3.12 notes.

Changes i did:
- Shield : ShieldCharge->HexTouch->Punishment
- Boots : Replaced Shield Charge with Enlightment (did not think what else to put there for now)
- Annoint : replaced spider length to second curse (3 golden oils!)

I got to say it feels like :
1) Punishment is much better than Carion golem for clearing speed - its very satisfying to both boss and clear!
2) Not having carion is such a treat to cast spiders everytime you need - i dont care if i loose DPS , my sanity is worth more than cursing at stupid carion everytime he kills my spiders:)

You asked if you have ideas how to put punishment into build , this is one way, and it works magic at least for me.

That's a pretty interesting idea! :) It's true that a second curse could compensate for the lost damage of Feeding Frenzy! And if you want to push the build to its limit, remember that an Awakened Hextouch, at level 5, grants you +1 maximum curse ;) I might consider trying it out at the end of the league, when I have so many exalts that I don't know what to do with them any more, haha. Thanks for the idea, and I definitely agree, sanity is way more important than dps ;)

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FLOYDIEBOM wrote:

Hey guys, appreciate the tips. I didn't see it in the guide but when are we supposed to go CI? Also if anyone knows how to search for anomalous predator I'd love to know, because I can't find it on poe ninja. I'd love to get one for the build.

Thanks.

It's mentioned in the levelling section that you should go CI when you get Aegis + decent armour, basically. There's no "rule" for it though; what I do (on every CI build, not just this one) is play normally, and when I see that I can avoid losing all my ES easily and that the main danger I face is chaos damage, I go CI. :)

As for the alternate quality gems, you have a filter for it on the trade site in the "miscellaneous" category, third line. :)

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niloxer wrote:

hmm fcking bad playstile i didint try it and i dont want to play dis just bc u said cyclone and herald of puryty .....your play stile make me vomit lol dont take too serius its a game after all but comon cyclone...

You're right. Your message was a wake up call for me. I took the game too seriously... I'm going to go to Tibet and meditate on the wisdom on your words. Thank you for spiritually awakening me, I will remember you on my journey.

Oh, and sorry for making you vomit :/ You can send me the bill for your carpet in PM if you want, I'll have one of my Tibetan lawyers look at it. Kah-leh phe, my friend.

Hi, Vatinas

Thanks for reply! Not only you wrote an amazing build but you even reply to comments. Amazing :)

Right back to my Curse vs Carion thing...

After few days of playing without Carion i just love the freedom of spiders anytime..Considering that i probably dont loose much DPS (hard to evaluate punishment value) i am not looking back to use that damned carion :)

Did not know about Awakened Hextouch!! And i do have extra slot for extra curse by removing carion.. SO was excited to give it a go with triple curse! Checked trade.. its 8 exalts :)) So no go for me..

BTW: replacing Carion with Punishment and adding Enalightment to boots has extra benefit - i was able to upgrade Ruthless to Melee Physical Damage in the chest. As Enlightment reduced reservation of auras.
Still missing few catalysts on rings and Enlightment is only level 3 , so maybe even will be able to use multistrike - but doubt it.

As i did not play HOE much few Questions for you sir:

1) In the world where i would get lucky and find Awakened HexTouch - what 3rd curse would you recommend?

2) Noob question -as we don't care about minion survivability - our Spirit offering is there just for Chaos damage? Is Flesh offering not better with movement and attack speed?

3) Are you experimenting with alternative quality gems? Do you have an update for us , what are your findings so far?

Hello,
Just wanted to thank you for the build, I'm having a blast playing it this league and not dying feels great. I'm level 93 and my build is almost complete with the gear below.


I plan to keep on playing this build probably till league-end and to push it from here do you think we can accommodate a minion damage cluster jewel to fit in some more damage ? What would be the best options to go from here in the skill tree ?
Also, open to suggestions for gear upgrade.

Greetings. I'm a beginner, so don't scold me too much! It seems that I did everything according to the guide, but when I meet bosses on the map with resistance to the elements, it is almost impossible to kill. Spiders don't do much damage, I haven't even reached Uber bosses yet. What have I done wrong? Tell me please. Hero in profile

And it also happens that I do not die from one-shot, but simply a smooth decrease in energy shield. What's this? Burning or poisoning?

and I can't find where I lost my spell block: I only typed 72% = (