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AutoQQ wrote:

So I am thinking of doing this build in SSG, of course I will lack dps till I can delve for fossils and possibly get a +1 spectre chest.

Leveling as the build is kinda slow but it's not bad for SRS.

Would leveling as zombies over specters be better until act 5 or 6?

Also should I not bother with specters until I get the gear and just run zombies and skeles?

Unless Zombies change in a big way in 3.8, they'll feel pretty terrible to level with: early in levelling, there is no source of minion regen and their life is pretty low, so you spend a lot of time resummoning them. Even when you get regen, it's 1-2% at best and they will still die. Zombies are more annoying than SRS because you need a corpse to summon them.

The early levelling is pretty slow because I kept it a summoner (learn the build and save on regrets), but you can use another method of levelling and switch later. I think Storm Brand can be much faster. Once you get to Act 5, it speeds up because you finally have access to decent spectres and have enough passives/gear to keep them alive.

Now that the gem will raise 2 spectres and we can get +1 on boots (and hopefully still +1 on tree) you can even just run with a rare chest without +1 spectre. Just use an essence of greed on a 5 or 6-link. Save up and get a psuedo elder helmet and unlinked Vis Mortis.

Zombies and Skeletons use quite a different passive tree and gear, so you have to decide which way to go.

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kayella wrote:

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AutoQQ wrote:

So I am thinking of doing this build in SSG, of course I will lack dps till I can delve for fossils and possibly get a +1 spectre chest.

Leveling as the build is kinda slow but it's not bad for SRS.

Would leveling as zombies over specters be better until act 5 or 6?

Also should I not bother with specters until I get the gear and just run zombies and skeles?

Unless Zombies change in a big way in 3.8, they'll feel pretty terrible to level with: early in levelling, there is no source of minion regen and their life is pretty low, so you spend a lot of time resummoning them. Even when you get regen, it's 1-2% at best and they will still die. Zombies are more annoying than SRS because you need a corpse to summon them.

The early levelling is pretty slow because I kept it a summoner (learn the build and save on regrets), but you can use another method of levelling and switch later. I think Storm Brand can be much faster. Once you get to Act 5, it speeds up because you finally have access to decent spectres and have enough passives/gear to keep them alive.

Now that the gem will raise 2 spectres and we can get +1 on boots (and hopefully still +1 on tree) you can even just run with a rare chest without +1 spectre. Just use an essence of greed on a 5 or 6-link. Save up and get a psuedo elder helmet and unlinked Vis Mortis.

Zombies and Skeletons use quite a different passive tree and gear, so you have to decide which way to go.

Thanks for the reply, I guess I'll just keep leveling as SRS with random spectre support and learn the build. It does not feel bad its just kinda slow.

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kayella wrote:

Now that the gem will raise 2 spectres and we can get +1 on boots (and hopefully still +1 on tree) you can even just run with a rare chest without +1 spectre. Just use an essence of greed on a 5 or 6-link.

So now can we use x5 spectres??? Oo

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redix27 wrote:

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kayella wrote:

Now that the gem will raise 2 spectres and we can get +1 on boots (and hopefully still +1 on tree) you can even just run with a rare chest without +1 spectre. Just use an essence of greed on a 5 or 6-link.

So now can we use x5 spectres??? Oo

If they left the +1 Spectre on the tree. It is possible they removed it from the tree and added it to the gem.

I saw talk of the reason that spell echo spectre is good is because of the fact they actually cast faster than they should and is fixed in 3.8. Is this accurate? Will it affect this build?

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Veight wrote:

I saw talk of the reason that spell echo spectre is good is because of the fact they actually cast faster than they should and is fixed in 3.8. Is this accurate? Will it affect this build?

I haven't seen talk of that at all got a link?

Interesting changes to Spectre gem and Ascendancies ...

So they basically removed "all the bad" on the Spec gem and made Spec lvls bound to it. -> Does this mean we use Desecrate just once, on lvl1 ? as it seems useless outside of getting spectres?

The ascendancies basically are all reworked/new except for Commander of Darkness and Mistress?

From looking at the rework pic, i think i would also choose the 4 Kayella mentioned:

1. Mindless Aggression (no-brainer)
2. Unnatural Strength (no-brainer)
3. Commander of Darkness. (damage+defensive no-brainer)
4. Bone Barrier -> more Spec Life, as well as Life + ES regen and Ele + Phys Res seem very good i think. Or is it only the Life increase that goes to minions, while the rest is only on our Necro? Or, as someone said, maybe it's the description of the Bone Armour skill so it also applies to minions, making it a no-brainer?

I think Plaguebringer could also be interesting in terms of damage+damage reduction and AoE, but i guess we need to see if Specs will be tanky enough without BoneBarrier to make use of that.

Corpse Pact and Essence Glutton seem like completely irrelevant for Specs, probably much more suited/1st choice for Zombies/other minions?

Also, curious to see whether they remove +1 Spec from tree (since Spec gem now has +2 as base). But even if they moved it to the gem, i think it's ok if the amount of Specs doesn't change (4).

I think the Convocation cooldown reduction is gone, but maybe they rework it into the skill gem? Or is it not that important?

Overall, quite happy with the changes, i think. Spec gem seems now really good (more base Specs, lvl is tied to gem, no more "weakening" of Specs at low gem lvls) and also the Ascendancies look promising, and frankly, more or less a no-brainer to which go for with Specs.

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Veight wrote:

I saw talk of the reason that spell echo spectre is good is because of the fact they actually cast faster than they should and is fixed in 3.8. Is this accurate? Will it affect this build?

I don't think that's true.

There was some talk a year or two ago about Spell Echo being bugged and not working for minions - they weren't getting the cast repeat. However, some spectres don't get a repeat on some of their spells, such as Solar Guard and their special beam.

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Rebur wrote:

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redix27 wrote:

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kayella wrote:

Now that the gem will raise 2 spectres and we can get +1 on boots (and hopefully still +1 on tree) you can even just run with a rare chest without +1 spectre. Just use an essence of greed on a 5 or 6-link.

So now can we use x5 spectres??? Oo

If they left the +1 Spectre on the tree. It is possible they removed it from the tree and added it to the gem.

Only a couple more days till we know either way.

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Nergal_ wrote:

Interesting changes to Spectre gem and Ascendancies ...

So they basically removed "all the bad" on the Spec gem and made Spec lvls bound to it. -> Does this mean we use Desecrate just once, on lvl1 ? as it seems useless outside of getting spectres?

Many of the ascendancies now work with corpses on the ground, so Desecrate will be useful for that. I'm looking at a small change to the Pledge build: cwdt 1 + desecrate 1 + spell cascade. This will put out 15 corpses every time we take a small hit which will provide 10 corpses for Feast of Flesh (4000 life + 4000 es gain) and 5 corpses for the ascendancy effects or Offering.

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Nergal_ wrote:

The ascendancies basically are all reworked/new except for Commander of Darkness and Mistress?

From looking at the rework pic, i think i would also choose the 4 Kayella mentioned:

1. Mindless Aggression (no-brainer)
2. Unnatural Strength (no-brainer)
3. Commander of Darkness. (damage+defensive no-brainer)
4. Bone Barrier -> more Spec Life, as well as Life + ES regen and Ele + Phys Res seem very good i think. Or is it only the Life increase that goes to minions, while the rest is only on our Necro? Or, as someone said, maybe it's the description of the Bone Armour skill so it also applies to minions, making it a no-brainer?

I think Plaguebringer could also be interesting in terms of damage+damage reduction and AoE, but i guess we need to see if Specs will be tanky enough without BoneBarrier to make use of that.

Corpse Pact and Essence Glutton seem like completely irrelevant for Specs, probably much more suited/1st choice for Zombies/other minions?

Also, curious to see whether they remove +1 Spec from tree (since Spec gem now has +2 as base). But even if they moved it to the gem, i think it's ok if the amount of Specs doesn't change (4).

I think the Convocation cooldown reduction is gone, but maybe they rework it into the skill gem? Or is it not that important?

Overall, quite happy with the changes, i think. Spec gem seems now really good (more base Specs, lvl is tied to gem, no more "weakening" of Specs at low gem lvls) and also the Ascendancies look promising, and frankly, more or less a no-brainer to which go for with Specs.

I think Bone Barrier (20% more minion life) is going to be mandatory for this build because of the loss of 100% increased life from Soulweaver. Especially because this build isn't a mass summoner, so we need to make sure no spectre dies.

Tying the spectre level to the gem is a bit of misdirection unless GGG changes the way spectre life and damage scale as well. Currently they gain 4% dmg and 6% life per level. So all the reddit hype of being able to get level 90 spectrs is only 24% more damage compared to level 84. That's about half a damage support gem.