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Does anyone has more info on Bone Armour than reply from Natalia:
"Bone Armour is a Guard skill like Steelskin that also applies to your minions."?

Because if this is true then we will need to cast it manually(no cwdt setup as this is not a gem) this is the first thing, the second if it's not an pernament "aura" like i thought it will be then the fact that it's add res to minions is pointless as it's only temporary so we end up with Commander of Darkness anyway - which sucks balls.

I have a hope that bone armour is some type of aura as this will open new possibilities with caping minions res.

Anyway any ideas on your ascendancy points picks? I was thinking about:

8 - Mindless Aggression - just a travel point
12 - Unnatural Strength - Must have
4 - Plaguebringer - sounds really good for offence/defense for us and minions
and for the last points I'm thinkg Commander of Darkness / Bone Barrier or Mistress of Sacrifice

Mistress change is really good with 7 points from tree that add block to staff + Rumi's + Bone Offering + Pledge of hands we have 75% attack /51% spell block chance.

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shakerino wrote:

i think this is actually nerf spectres....

-soul weaver seems to be pretty bad.
so dissapointed
what different between % increased max life and % more max life?

All sources of 'increased' are added together, 'more' is applied separately.

If you had 1000 base life and (a) 200% increased vs (b) 100% increased + 100% more.

(a) 1000*(1+2.0) = 3000 life.
(b) 1000*(1+1.0)*(1+1.0) = 4000 life.

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Stat#more_vs_increased

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Kixnare wrote:

Does anyone has more info on Bone Armour than reply from Natalia:
"Bone Armour is a Guard skill like Steelskin that also applies to your minions."?

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Anyway any ideas on your ascendancy points picks? I was thinking about:

8 - Mindless Aggression - just a travel point
12 - Unnatural Strength - Must have
4 - Plaguebringer - sounds really good for offence/defense for us and minions
and for the last points I'm thinkg Commander of Darkness / Bone Barrier or Mistress of Sacrifice

Mistress change is really good with 7 points from tree that add block to staff + Rumi's + Bone Offering + Pledge of hands we have 75% attack /51% spell block chance.

People seem to believe that Bone Armour is an addition to the description. So it'll be something on top of what the ascendancy gives. I'll just wait until patch notes to find out.

I'd take the passives in this order:
1. Mindless Aggression. Travel node for:
2. Unnatural Strength. +2 gem level will help with levelling and we need to get 80+ gem.
3. Commander of Darkness. Need this to res cap spectres.
4. Your choice.

I don't use offerings, so it's a toss up between Plague and Bone for me. Bone gives minions 20% more life and the mysterious Bone Armour, whereas Plague reduces enemy damage by 10% + minions deal 10% more damage + minions have 30% aoe (good for Slave Drivers).

I hope Bone Armor is a aura other wise it's not going to be worth much I feel. But since they say it's specifically a guard skill I'm not hold out hope for it.

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kayella wrote:

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shakerino wrote:

i think this is actually nerf spectres....

-soul weaver seems to be pretty bad.
so dissapointed
what different between % increased max life and % more max life?

All sources of 'increased' are added together, 'more' is applied separately.

If you had 1000 base life and (a) 200% increased vs (b) 100% increased + 100% more.

(a) 1000*(1+2.0) = 3000 life.
(b) 1000*(1+1.0)*(1+1.0) = 4000 life.

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Stat#more_vs_increased

SD was pretty untanky with 100% life and now we have -100% inc life(1/3 of lifepool)
back to fireaeters

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shakerino wrote:

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kayella wrote:

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shakerino wrote:

i think this is actually nerf spectres....

-soul weaver seems to be pretty bad.
so dissapointed
what different between % increased max life and % more max life?

All sources of 'increased' are added together, 'more' is applied separately.

If you had 1000 base life and (a) 200% increased vs (b) 100% increased + 100% more.

(a) 1000*(1+2.0) = 3000 life.
(b) 1000*(1+1.0)*(1+1.0) = 4000 life.

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Stat#more_vs_increased

SD was pretty untanky with 100% life and now we have -100% inc life(1/3 of lifepool)
back to fireaeters

That's just it we aren't. With the plus to Gem levels we may only lose at most 40% increased life if that it maybe only 20%. If they area little low it can be made up for in other ways.

For early before a 6 link vis mortis use a elder helmet with Minion Life then when you get the 6 link change to Wraithlord if you want tankier specters or just do like normal and do a +3 Bone Helmet. I don't think in the end it will be that they are totally dead as a specter.

Now could it be possible that something will come along and replace them sure. But that will take some in game tests after the patch. Speaking of patch notes we haven't seen them yet. They could for all we know completely gut some specters and we be back using Flame Sentinel or something else. We have to wait for patch notes before we write anything off.

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Rebur wrote:

That's just it we aren't. With the plus to Gem levels we may only lose at most 40% increased life if that it maybe only 20%. If they area little low it can be made up for in other ways.

For early before a 6 link vis mortis use a elder helmet with Minion Life then when you get the 6 link change to Wraithlord if you want tankier specters or just do like normal and do a +3 Bone Helmet. I don't think in the end it will be that they are totally dead as a specter.

I actually did some testing without Soulweaver. SDs had no problem doing T16 maps, but UE fight was a no go. I ended up losing all spectres to beam or balls.

We'll have to see if spectre scaling has changed and/or there are more sources of minion life on the passive tree.

In the meantime, I've been trying out various different spectres in the event SDs become unsusable:

Prayer Guards (SGs without beam)
T16 mapping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyNY1d_Ed-E
Uber Elder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMTXFHQceY

Same fireball as SGs. No beam attack. No cast delay - just fireball spam.

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Goatman Fire-Raisers
T16 mapping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tklWQ3y2yn4
Uber Elder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPzye1b3Tt0

Casts fireball and magma orb. Both hit harder than SG's fireball. Magma orbs pierce.

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Lightning Risen Vaal Advocates
T16 mapping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_rAjVaHEx8
Uber Elder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqvcQcx1Yvo

Casts lightning 'fireball' which travels much faster than a fireball. Massive life pool. Can survive elemental reflect maps.

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kayella wrote:

stuff

I have a feeling that they might tweak a lot of (spectre) mobs, so don't go crazy testing just yet xD (unless you want to, ofc, then go bananas!)

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mc29654363 wrote:

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kayella wrote:

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I have a feeling that they might tweak a lot of (spectre) mobs, so don't go crazy testing just yet xD (unless you want to, ofc, then go bananas!)

Yeah, just doing UE with different spectres to pass the time while waiting for patch notes.

So I am thinking of doing this build in SSG, of course I will lack dps till I can delve for fossils and possibly get a +1 spectre chest.

Leveling as the build is kinda slow but it's not bad for SRS.

Would leveling as zombies over specters be better until act 5 or 6?

Also should I not bother with specters until I get the gear and just run zombies and skeles?