[3.8] SonicSunder, 3M+ DPS, SSF, HC, BEGINNER LEAGUE STARTER, UBER LAB/ELDER, SHAPER, FAST

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Frezore wrote:

so i have just started on this build but i dont see how is ur thougth of having no mana. what is it that will make me still able to cast sunder?

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Hayllit wrote:

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Hey man, thanks for the build guide. I've played 2 variations of Sunder (zerker and gladiator) in 3.0 as well, so far, your build seems at least just as good. I do have a couple of questions though. How tough is uber izaro on a tabula? I'd like to get rid of tabula before that and I don't know whether I should go for 6L brass dome or 6L belly first. What's your recommendation?

Edit: actually, damage on full life also confuses me a bit. I think I have plenty of leech, but with blood rage on, my hp just stays at 4 points below max (doesn't go down due to overleech). Does the gem still work in this situation?

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Just a question about life. How much HP do you have? I am at 5,2k atm.

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Snawb wrote:

Great guide! love the build, Xcise.

Just a question regarding off-hand. I am currently using The Princess Sabre as per the guide`s recommendation, however I see that you are using a claw with less IAS, no added phys damage, although with 40% phys as increased lightning damage and added fire damage. Which of these would be better to use, and what should I mainly look for in a stat stick? Any specific off-hand I should be looking out for, if not Princess?

Also, with these new Abyss sockets, is the Belt of the Deceiver still a good/better choice?
Thank you!

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Xcise wrote:

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Erdnusskern wrote:

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taiiWanNo1 wrote:

Did you look at the new unique?
Nebuloch Nightmare Mace. how is it compared to Princess.

Can we handle the degen?

Or a new rare weapon with 2 extra damage is just overwhelming.

It's too slow.
The princess and the claws have about 1.8 aps instead of just 1.4

APS on offhand doesn't matter. We should have around 2k+ life leeched per second, so we should be able to handle the degen from both blood rage and that unique weapon. Sounds like BiS for now if you're going endurance charges with warlord's mark/doedre's for endurance sustain.

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kan3 wrote:

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Starting to feel this build is bad, cannot even facetank Argus, try to carry uber lab with 2 people or more and you're gonna die, in high tier maps you're gonna die. Tried T5 white elder, I died. Thinking about rerolling into something else. Build was fun, but not end-game viable.

Brass dome + lion's roar makes argus a walk in the park. Get more DPS. Elder is like shaper, it's a skill-based DPS check. Get more DPS.

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Heralin wrote:

Argus is still one hitting me... any advices?

Get more life, basalt flask + lion's roar + brass dome.

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kan3 wrote:

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Hi Xcise, please kindly some advice on what to upgrade next,

also got

Looking good.

1) Get better jewels
2) get 15% AS sunder helm
3) Divine soul taker a few times for more DPS or buy a high rolled soul taker from poe.trade
4) More life and phys dmg on rings
5) Use a high life + high phys amulet instead of carnage heart for more DPS
6) Lion's roar instead of stibnite flask
7) Insanity essence on gloves
8) Optimize your passive tree, I don't know what's going on there. Did you respec from another build?

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moooff wrote:

Is the lifeleech implicit on claws global or local ? Or are you using offhand claw to get leap slam only use main hand ?

Lifeleech% implicit on claws is local and doesn't work. Life gained on hit is global and works for sunder. attack speed on offhand doesn't matter, both sunder and leap slam uses main hand only.

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spacor wrote:

have found a post in a forum that say all life leech in % or per hit are global. should be works on sunder

Incorrect for lifeleech%, but lgoh works. We get enough lifeleech% from ascendency anyway (0.4%), and atziri flask.

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W4rn0XxX wrote:

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I'm kinda lost, and can't find an answer by testing it (it just confuse me more :D ) or on the forums.

What are the modifiers needed in a offhand weapon to increase the sunder dps?

Attack speed? Added cold/fire/lightning damage?

Is an axe better in offhand because of the nodes we took in the skill tree, or the type of weapon doesn't change anything?

BTW, amazing build!

Thanks you by advance ;)

What you want on your offhand:

1) Phys gained as ele (cold/lightning/fire/random ele)
2) Weapon elemental damage with attacks.
3) Life gained on hit (claws)
4) Res
5) Int

6) Not sure if it is local/global
But there are a tonne more mods that you can use:
http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=Shaper#Claws
http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=Elder#Claws

We do not need attack speed or phys damage on offhand, sunder/leap slam only uses main hand.

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W4rn0XxX wrote:

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Could you tell me why I have less sunder dps with this weapon in offhand :

than with this one :

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53 350 dps with the claw, 63 890 dps with the axe :/

Download a program called path of building and you'll see the true DPS. Do not trust the tooltip DPS.

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Porsche112 wrote:

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Does the attack speed per second matter on the offhand claw?
Should we be aiming for 1.8 or does it not make a difference?
Thanks.

Attack speed on the offhand does not make a difference.

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LTHobo wrote:

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Anyone reason why we don't run phys dmg doryani's? Granted there's no extra +life compared to Deceiver but the res and phy% is better and the reduced crit damage is kind of redundant with Brass Dome

Deceiver gives more DPS. intimidation gives 10% MORE damage for us, while doryani only gives INCREASED. MORE is always better than INCREASED.

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K0stas wrote:

Hello, noob here. My first play through ever. I'm running this build until level 72 right now. Having trouble with Izaro on the third lab and don't want to do Kitava on Act 10 yet because I feel too squishy. I have not been able to afford the expensive gear yet at all. So I'm just running Tabula Rasa and all the affordable stuff that just cost a couple Chaos Orbs.

One major question I have is how do you add increase sunder attack speed on gear like the helmet?
If I want to buy the helmet with this already on it it's like 30+ Chaos which I don't have as a poor pleb.