3.0 Dual Striker Leechtank The Wolf Bleeds Yet Dies Not 2xCORE SHAPER UBER ATZ [Umbra-Soup-Rogue]

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FrooostyTheBlowman wrote:

Well what is troubling me as I look through all the different guides among all the classes one thing is a common thread in 99.9% of them that are worth a crap, whether ES or health...Vaal Pact.

So I feel like everyone found the best node on the whole tree, and endgame is hardly possibly without it for any build...just feels like a fundamental flaw in the game, either make it ok to insta leech(or a nerfed version perhaps) or not.

Feels like they are trying the "or not" part. So in turn what would that lead us to next? Dumb down enemies so we don't have to insta-leech? At what point do we reach a part of the development where things feel right? I feel like they should of had this part figured out before letting us have it for x amount of time before they are trying to change it now. That's the part that pisses me off.

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FrooostyTheBlowman wrote:

You're right brother.. I hope they get a grip asap. I feel like they will be harsh at first but I hope they better not waste time bringing it back to where it needs to be.

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GottaGoMonk wrote:

In social psychology (or "marketing" as people in the business like to call it), there's a cute persuasion technique called the Door-In-The-Face (DITF) technique (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique).

Basically if you were the CEO of a gaming company looking to slow player progression by implementing some really unpopular nerfs, it's better to first announce extreme over-the-top nerfs. Bandy around some crazy numbers taken from the top 1% of the player base to justify the nerfs and generate outrage.

After the rioting begins and the UN declares a State of Emergency, appeal for calm and announce the actual (originally intended) nerfs. There will be much relief and celebration. There will be fireworks and dancing in the streets. There will also probably be an orgasmic explosion of rampant profligacy in the mtx shop by relieved players.

It's a win-win situation for everyone.

This isn't about nerfing the top 1% who will always be the top 1% no matter what. This isn't about "game balance" or Life vs ES, or any of those other insignificant distractions. This is about slowing the progression of the mass majority of the player base to increase the Return on Invested Capital. After all, gaming assets don't just create themselves.

Actual business decisions revolve around more arcane but boring concepts like Return on Capital, Return on Equity, Debt/Equity ratios, Dividend Yields, and very important questions like "When do my stock options vest?" No one gives a shit about the current meta in executive boardroom meetings.

Well played GGG. :golf clap:

10/10 would love to be manipulated again.

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Finnien wrote:

Unfortunately, based on history, that's not how GGG works. They announce an over-the-top nerf. Players complain. GGG doesn't care. Nerf goes through as stated. Builds die. End of story. They really just don't care.

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SpareTheRod1976 wrote:

:((( I mean it has been done before, anyone remember incinerate? Eldritch Battery? No matter the feedback, the changes happened

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loonger wrote:

Hi. According to your experience, how much HP is considered comfortable if the damage is higher? Is 6300-6500ish viable?

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Umbra_the_Wolf wrote:

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loonger wrote:

Hi. According to your experience, how much HP is considered comfortable if the damage is higher? Is 6300-6500ish viable?

A budget build had 6300 life and utterly tanked the most difficult beyond enemy that killed all non-elite players since Bloodlines came out 1.4-ish. It's on my "WHY PLAY DUAL STRIKER" at top of thread, a fan made the video.

I'd say 7000 is comfy given how life gear is easier to get these days and great axes are still tough to find at reasonable prices, go for +70 or higher life rares and you'd hit 7k. He can top at 9300 with Belly of the Beast and epic rares.

6000 life will happen even if you don't try lol my build pretty much goes all life passives so it's easy to multiple what little you have. Damage on the other hand is tougher as my dual striker gets DPS from great axes then uses auras+pots to "gain" additional multiplied damage from base raw phys. damage (not convert, gain). Hope this helps

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loonger wrote:

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Umbra_the_Wolf wrote:

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loonger wrote:

Hi. According to your experience, how much HP is considered comfortable if the damage is higher? Is 6300-6500ish viable?

A budget build had 6300 life and utterly tanked the most difficult beyond enemy that killed all non-elite players since Bloodlines came out 1.4-ish. It's on my "WHY PLAY DUAL STRIKER" at top of thread, a fan made the video.

I'd say 7000 is comfy given how life gear is easier to get these days and great axes are still tough to find at reasonable prices, go for +70 or higher life rares and you'd hit 7k. He can top at 9300 with Belly of the Beast and epic rares.

6000 life will happen even if you don't try lol my build pretty much goes all life passives so it's easy to multiple what little you have. Damage on the other hand is tougher as my dual striker gets DPS from great axes then uses auras+pots to "gain" additional multiplied damage from base raw phys. damage (not convert, gain). Hope this helps

Thanks for the reply. Thinking of doing Shaper/Guardians/Uber, but may get 6300ish HP only, hence the question. :D