GGGs reasoning on not making a SFL?

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Xavderion wrote:

I'd say the number one characteristic of a casual player is that he doesn't want to invest either time or actually himself (if that makes sense) in order to have some fun with a game.

And yet, the post you objected to, was quoting someone with a fraction of time investment or any other investment of those he was calling casuals, while claiming himself hardcore.

The terms casual and hardcore are subjective, but can only be pushed so far, that guy takes the cookie kitchen.

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Xavderion wrote:

In a SFL, you can also buy an account with a Shavronne's for real money. Your point is invalid.

City is overrun with crime.

Mayor says heavy policing is the answer.

After heavy policing, crime is virtually extinguished but for some underground activity.

Xav calls for Mayor to stand down.

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DirkAustin wrote:

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I'd say the number one characteristic of a casual player is that he doesn't want to invest either time or actually himself (if that makes sense) in order to have some fun with a game.

And yet, the post you objected to, was quoting someone with a fraction of time investment or any other investment of those he was calling casuals, while claiming himself hardcore.

The terms casual and hardcore are subjective, but can only be pushed so far, that guy takes the cookie kitchen.

I take offense with the hate on casuals. I am the most casual and i dont take shortcuts more the opposite, i do builds others say they are not endgame viable, well, i dont give 2 shits about endgame, fun for me is planning the built and getting the char to lvl 60+ solo or party doesnt matter.

Have a word with the guy slinging the mud, then.

Oh we know you don't give a hoot about end game. I've seen you say one can play solo-self-found in the current parent leagues as they are. Had you been any where near end game, you would know how silly that sounds.

I too think that Dirk should keep his fantasies to himself. Dirk, this forum is about the real PoE, not the fictional game in your head. You should probably wait until you get to level 80 before speaking about endgame, instead of posting how you think it would be in your head.

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iamstryker wrote:

So any time a player wants a specific item he has to RMT an entire account? ya that sounds like it will work just as well as in the current leagues....

You are missing the point, which is for legit players, all of this doesn't matter.

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ignarsoll wrote:

Anti-SFL crowd under this thread are huge casuals.

To avoid name and shame accusations I want to state that I think there is nothing wrong with being obsessed with PoE forum. Also probably I'm one with 2000+ posts,

but looking at all your post counts;

ScrotieMcB - 8193
DirkAustin - 7139
Xavderion - 5187

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You're players that can't get satisfaction from playing the game because you're not good at it or some any other reason and get a kick out of being annoyance to SF players with your poorly-built arguments and spamming them as facts.

In contrast to your beliefs, accusing others for being casuals without a basis and trying to invalidate their opinions with your bullshit won't make you any superior, actually it is sad, so please do yourselves a favor and stop it.

First of all, you're still naming and shaming. Second of all, I'm indeed playing the game, look at my characters. 95% of my forum time is during my work time, sorry I don't quit work and play PoE instead. Also sorry for annoying you with my sound and valid arguments, and maybe you should stop with your terrible armchair psychology, it makes you look a bit silly, Mr. no character on any ladder ;)

#elitist #rekt #winning

EDIT: This is meant as harmless banter btw, please don't ban me?

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I'd say the number one characteristic of a casual player is that he doesn't want to invest either time or actually himself (if that makes sense) in order to have some fun with a game.

And yet, the post you objected to, was quoting someone with a fraction of time investment or any other investment of those he was calling casuals, while claiming himself hardcore.

The terms casual and hardcore are subjective, but can only be pushed so far, that guy takes the cookie kitchen.

If I were to describe mushioov, I'd probably get another probation :)

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

In a SFL, you can also buy an account with a Shavronne's for real money. Your point is invalid.

City is overrun with crime.

Mayor says heavy policing is the answer.

After heavy policing, crime is virtually extinguished but for some underground activity.

Xav calls for Mayor to stand down.

This is actually what most RMT doomsayers are doing. GGG is doing a good job of reducing the impact of RMT, but people still act like it's the end of the world. If you want pro arguments for a SFL, think of something else. Less cheating isn't a really good one because most people (99,9%) don't care about the ladder since they can't compete with the people playing 18 hours a day. Or 24 hours, account sharing would be the tits in a SFL :D

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ignarsoll wrote:

Anti-SFL crowd under this thread are huge casuals.

To avoid name and shame accusations I want to state that I think there is nothing wrong with being obsessed with PoE forum. Also probably I'm one with 2000+ posts,

but looking at all your post counts;

ScrotieMcB - 8193
DirkAustin - 7139
Xavderion - 5187

What you say would made better sense if you actually choose to play the game instead of coming under every SFL thread and bitch non-stop.

You're players that can't get satisfaction from playing the game because you're not good at it or some any other reason and get a kick out of being annoyance to SF players with your poorly-built arguments and spamming them as facts.

In contrast to your beliefs, accusing others for being casuals without a basis and trying to invalidate their opinions with your bullshit won't make you any superior, actually it is sad, so please do yourselves a favor and stop it.

1. Ricky Bobby "In all due respect" preface doesn't work. "I want to state there is nothing wrong with being obsessed with PoE forum. That said, you're a casual, and therefore your capability to make valid arguments is neutralized, because you're obsessed with the PoE forum." Sorry, it doesn't work that way; it's one or the other. I'm guessing the latter.

2. Advocating versus being. SFL advocates a casual agenda. That's a fact; as I described earlier, a less casual agenda is one which tells players they must either endure tedium trying to overlevel/overgear for content, or escape tedium by risking their lives underleveled/undergeared for content. I made a point of saying SFL is advocating casualness, and that advocates don't necessarily play casually. For all I know, your response to the tedium-tedium-LeeroyJenkins choice pattern I described earlier is the same as mine — going Leeroy on it. If that's the case, in action you're probably as hardcore, perhaps even more hardcore, than me. However, we're not talking about what you do here, we're talking about what you advocate. Apparently, if that's the kind of behavior you use, then you're not fully satisfied with the way it is, and you want it easier. Without the tedium of trading or easyfarming, you want to just straight-up have better gear by the time you're put into that three-way decision, making the Leeroy a little less Leeroy. I called it casual advocacy because that's exactly what it is.

Trading isn't hardcore; I'm with you on that one. However, farming isn't hardcore either — assuming that by farming, we mean unthreatening repetition of instances for incremental profit.
Being undergeared and/or underleveled for the content is hardcore.

3. Obvious butthurt over the "c-word". Casual is not a dirty word. Nevertheless, you respond as if I have threatened your manhood and kicked your dog. The worst thing you can think of accusing me of in return is casual; the classic "I know you are, but what am I" argument. Well, I'm not accusing SFL of advocating casual play, I'm saying they advocate casual play. The difference is that an accusation implies a condemnation. I might have a problem with the SFL, but advocating a casual agenda is not it. I'm not 100% sure that life would be worse if, given that tedium-tedium-Leeroy three-way choice, the Leeroy choice was a little less hardcore. It might actually be a good thing; it might also not be, so I'm kind of on the fence. Slightly more casual might be an improvement.

The problem is that you are reading sentences like "I called it casual advocacy because that's exactly what it is" and immediately interpreting casual as wrong... without even thinking about it. You've blanked out your brain, discarded the real meaning of the word, and turned it into a cuss word. Undo your brain damage.

There's two main things here which bother me about SFL as a whole (as opposed to ignarsoll in particular): that SFLers are unwilling to embrace the casualness of what they want to do, forcing false pretentions the game would be more hardcore afterwards; and the fallacious believe that a separate league is an efficient vehicle to get the game closer to what they want. I've never had a major problem with the casualness itself, and I've never had a major problem with the end result which SFL supporters would like to see. I just think you're lying to yourself about what you actually want to do, and you're lying to yourself about which methods would be the best in order to get there.