GGGs reasoning on not making a SFL?

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Maxwells wrote:

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

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Qarl wrote:

In the existing leagues, there is nothing stopping anyone from playing self-found, and we know many of our players do. We also have players that only engage rarely with other players, trading and partying occasionally.

So, as you can play self found in an existing league, I doubt we need to separate out the leagues.

I always hated that answer because by that logic HC leagues shouldn't exist as you can delete your characters on death in SC leagues.

What?.. you need a separate league just because you can't control yourself to NOT trade with other players? Ok then.

why would an opinion from this guy even counts, his highest character playing for 2 years is like what most of us can do within 4 days, is like a baby commenting if soccer should or should not allow referi to watch video replays to make the game fair.

your point is valuable but your experience discredit you sorry

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xXx_EliteHardcorePro_xXx wrote:

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Anelit wrote:

Good riddance. a SFL would be a terrible thing for the game. Dividing the playerbase further.

playing selffound is already completely viable, unless you enforce artificial progression speed on yourself which isnt necessary. You dont need to drop so much stuff that you progress alot on a daily basis.


Lets be honest, most people just use the SFL argument to get a league with much more loot dropping.

And thanks for not caving in GGG.


I vote (x) NO on SFL.

You forgot to put /sarcasm at the end.

No



Someone not agreeing with you viewpoint does not make them sarcastic or a troll you know?

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Anelit wrote:

Someone not agreeing with you viewpoint does not make them sarcastic or a troll you know?

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Anelit wrote:

most people just use the SFL argument to get a league with much more loot dropping.

And thanks for not caving in GGG.

Ambush. Caving confirmed.

And, judging by the huge popularity, it's a decision that many players agree with.

PS - Please confirm you do not want more high level maps to drop.

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benkeia wrote:

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Maxwells wrote:

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

I always hated that answer because by that logic HC leagues shouldn't exist as you can delete your characters on death in SC leagues.

What?.. you need a separate league just because you can't control yourself to NOT trade with other players? Ok then.

why would an opinion from this guy even counts, his highest character playing for 2 years is like what most of us can do within 4 days, is like a baby commenting if soccer should or should not allow referi to watch video replays to make the game fair.

your point is valuable but your experience discredit you sorry

This is one of the most arrogant things I've ever seen written. Characters were wiped constantly through closed beta, you have no idea how much he/she has played. Not only that but watching the evolution of the game gives you a much deeper understanding of core mechanics and their justifications than players who joined after the big decisions were already made. The game you think you know so well is only the current meta, you have no basis to compare it to like many of the veterans. Regardless of your or my stance, you can't dismiss the fact he has another year of experience on you.

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bluefalcon74 wrote:

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Anelit wrote:

most people just use the SFL argument to get a league with much more loot dropping.

And thanks for not caving in GGG.

Ambush. Caving confirmed.

And, judging by the huge popularity, it's a decision that many players agree with.

The mass of people who demand higher drop rates or SFL with overall higher drop rates, or any other sort of unrealistic idea, can never expect to really be taken seriously. They are always there, and no matter how high you raise the drops, they will never be satisfied.

Putting all the suggestions regardless of their quality into the same unrealistic-bullshit basket is an extreme which shows the poster doesn't really care for much else but joining the flock of constantly whining sheep in lack of common sense and no honest and helpful criticism of the game.

There is a large difference between "caving in" and making a sensible game change which makes sense design wise and business wise.

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VenatorPoE wrote:

no matter how high you raise the drops, they will never be satisfied.

D2: I felt satisfied
TQ: satisfied
Sacred 1/2: satisfied
Dungeon Siege 1/2: satisfied

In fact vevery single other ARPG I've ever played managed to deliver on this. Yet, somehow, for PoE there's just no chance of reaching a balance. People are playing the fuck out of Ambush because it's delivering a more satisfying experience than everything else (including you.)

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DirkAustin wrote:

I play in all leagues and dont notice a big difference between ambush and standard.

I've heard that accessing end game content in Ambush as a solo-self-found player, due to boxes, is considerably different to the other leagues. I've even heard that end game content can be sustainable. The boxes, incidentally, that will be nerfed (I'd guess considerably) when the leagues end and they come to the parent leagues.

Are you saying your experience was different?

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TheAnuhart wrote:

I've heard that accessing end game content in Ambush as a solo-self-found player, due to boxes, is considerably different to the other leagues. I've even heard that end game content can be sustainable. The boxes, incidentally, that will be nerfed (I'd guess considerably) when the leagues end and they come to the parent leagues.

Are you saying your experience was different?

My personal belief is that solo mapping — assuming done over a long enough span to essentially render luck not a factor — is currently sustainable in Standard, but barely. By "barely" I mean that you have to play the map management game perfectly pretty much all the time, and making any type of mistake — burning too much currency on a map, or not burning enough — will set you back. I guess one way of looking at it is saying that the perfectly skilled wouldn't have problems with solo map sustainment, but a normal human being would. This leads to a very frustrating situation when one eventually fails, because even doing things 98% right results in eventual failure. Not impossible; merely unreasonable.

Cartographer's boxes allow significant breathing room for human error. You can make some mistakes and still get an A as your final grade. Cartos themselves are actually a test of their own, and knowing how to roll them properly is a nice skill to have.

My personal belief is that even if Cartos are toned down significantly when added to the main game, they'll still provide a good deal of breathing room. They'd need to be nerfed very hard in order to lead to a situation where solo mapping still feels unsustainable for humans.