GGGs reasoning on not making a SFL?

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DogFaceNoSpace wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

Or the topic has been discussed to death and they don't want to waste time on asking the same old question over and over again.

Jeez, if the problem keeps existing then maybe if they would actually solve the problem people wouldn't have to discuss it to death. They just don't want to be accountable for their decisions and look the other way.

They are slowly solving the problem, just not in a way most SFL proponents want. GGG is aware of the problems so there's no reason to keep asking every couple of weeks. Keep in mind that even after the problem is solved, people will keep crying for more. So at some point ignoring those people will be the best way to handle the situation, unless GGG wants to ruin their game.

Well, people are not really asking. Most are just quitting the game because they are unhappy with the current situation. If GGG is smart then they don't ignore them but keep them involved in the design process and read feedback on what people actually want.

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DogFaceNoSpace wrote:

Well, people are not really asking. Most are just quitting the game because they are unhappy with the current situation. If GGG is smart then they don't ignore them but keep them involved in the design process and read feedback on what people actually want.

People leaving the game is natural. In some cases it is very very good (the bitter, D3 white knights, trolls, etc). What ggg is likely looking at is two things:

>Stability of unique customers logging on over a longer period of time.
>Revenue to at a minimum sustain TCO through MTX and partnerships.

Among the tons of other factors that play into these things.

Player retention is a factor in both these elements but a low retention rate does not necessarily mean there is a problem. There are indicators when a game is dying/dead. GGG does not exhibit these things from what I have noticed.

Btw, there is no data to support low retention. There is however indicators of a thriving game/company.

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Nubatron wrote:

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DogFaceNoSpace wrote:

Well, people are not really asking. Most are just quitting the game because they are unhappy with the current situation. If GGG is smart then they don't ignore them but keep them involved in the design process and read feedback on what people actually want.

People leaving the game is natural. In some cases it is very very good (the bitter, D3 white knights, trolls, etc). What ggg is likely looking at is two things:

>Stability of unique customers logging on over a longer period of time.
>Revenue to at a minimum sustain TCO through MTX and partnerships.

Among the tons of other factors that play into these things.

Player retention is a factor in both these elements but a low retention rate does not necessarily mean there is a problem. There are indicators when a game is dying/dead. GGG does not exhibit these things from what I have noticed.

Btw, there is no data to support low retention. There is however indicators of a thriving game/company.

 Players come, players go, I understand that is natural for any game. You play a game, get tired of it, and move on to a new title. But other than Steam stats we have no real way to track player retention over time so PoE Steam charts is worrisome as the daily player counts are low.

 Also worrisome that players have had to put up with many serious flaws so long that these problems are now put into the "talked to death" and thus we should shut up about it category. I guess with long standing PoE problems GGG would like us to do this:

Now shut up and be a good little mushroom!

 What is most worrisome is the trend that over time as players quit there needs to be a constant influx of new blood to keep the GGG financial gears well lubricated. But at the same time GGG has to keep upping the difficulty bar to try to keep the veteran players happy. This means that new players can be hit with a newbie difficulty wall well before they can get into the meat of PoE and find their favorite niche and get any fun out of playing. An SF league would be better for a newbie as the rewards would be better and then once a new player is PoE skilled enough he/she can then switch to a harder league.

 Of course the real solution to degree of difficulty is to take a page from D3:RoH and allow us to choose a higher degree of difficulty and then award more exp. for mobs and bosses killed. This won't solve the crafting orb starvation problem that the solo Self-Found is always stuck in but at least GGG needs a way to allow newbies to start out at a low degree of difficulty, "normal", and then move up to a harder degree of difficulty within the 3 times play through.

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Arrowneous wrote:

An SF league would be better for a newbie as the rewards would be better and then once a new player is PoE skilled enough he/she can then switch to a harder league.

I'm confused, I thought SFL was not supposed to be an easier league.

He's drunk. Anyone who doesn't mind trading a lot should play in the normal leagues.

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grant_m wrote:

We now know that the polite, adult way isn't the most effective way. *stomps feet* :)

tru

this has turned in to a cry no reason thread


every1 cry and scream at each other tell theres a offline version or SFL

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grant_m wrote:

We now know that the polite, adult way isn't the most effective way. *stomps feet* :)

Well all future races should indeed have a HC version, SC version, solo version, self found version, solo self found HC, solo self found SC, melee only HC, melee only SC, solo melee only HC, solo melee only SC, solo self found melee only HC, solo self.... you get the idea.

If not, then there should be a shit storm kicked up.
And if anyone that took part in today/yesterday's child paddy dares to say a fucking word against it, they are the biggest hypocrites out.