PoE2 has very few viable builds, why are patch notes nothing but nerfs?

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Evilsmiter#8011 wrote:

Pretty much any build is "viable".
Don't know what OP is on about.

Is he expecting POE 2 to be a one-button masher like POE 1?
I hope POE 2 never becomes that...

The fact that PoE2 has almost no 1 button builds greately contributes to the problem why so many builds are non viable clunky trash.

It's a lot easier to make 1 button builds viable then combining 3-4 skills and hope 1 of them isn't trash.

I could have 3 perfect skills that combo perfectly together to make a viable build but the 4'th piece of that combo to have a long cooldown or require picking up a infusion that throws all that build in the trash.

Say what you want about Poe1 but 1 button builds never created such clunkyness PoE2 produced with 99% of it's skills.

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PayneK#3102 wrote:

I waited for the 0.5 patch notes to see what builds get enabled.

Nothing new got enabled. We only got nerfs severely crippling all builds. But no new builds came out of this patch.

They had to nerf grip of kulemak so tactician could be the only viable support ascendancy. It’s not fair grips could give non damage upgrading stats that lead to more damage from speed/cdr/accuracy.

You see they 100% would rather you get 5x tacticians together for 125% bonus, split all 5 kulemak buffs 1 to each tactician, then the dps player gets all 5 kulemak layers, and 25% main hand dps of each tactician.

Way more fair and balanced.

They can’t allow 2 meta party builds bro, only one is allowed.

I am now forced to league start tactician btw.

If I want to support in party in end game, I have to be tactician. No other support is worth.

Why have diversity when you can clearly make 1 thing infinitely better than the next best option.

I wonder how long it will take the gaming community at large to understand the difference between "Not the best build in the game" and "Non-viable builds".

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Lore#3772 wrote:

If I want to support in party in end game, I have to be tactician. No other support is worth.

You could also try something else. That's one of the reasons they shake up the meta.

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Northern_Ronin#6465 wrote:

I wonder how long it will take the gaming community at large to understand the difference between "Not the best build in the game" and "Non-viable builds".

Blame streamers and content creators. When all you hear online, is : "do this...", "best build...", "don't do that", "you must do this", etc people will start thinking that that's the only way to play the game.

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Northern_Ronin#6465 wrote:

I wonder how long it will take the gaming community at large to understand the difference between "Not the best build in the game" and "Non-viable builds".

Feel however you’d like, were you part of a 100+ person guild all aligned with making the craziest spirit walkers mid season for party play? Oh you weren’t cool. Then it doesn’t effect you at all really. Lots of people were looking forward to kulemak party spirit walking.

That entire genre is dead before it got legs.

Can we still do it? Sure. Can we still do it anywhere near as effectively? No.

Does it now require all of us doing a different type of farming method/crafting method that is far less forgiving? Yes.

Is our reward for the input work anywhere near as good as tactician mathematically? Hell to the no.

One thing you guys don’t respect about tactician support is realistically you can do 6 supports and they will all slap dps if done right. Just because the streamer only hit things himself doesn’t mean the other 5 can’t hit things.

Just fyi the streamer one tapped multiple insane hp bosses. The supports might not one tap, but 5 of them probably one tap each = dead boss.

You got no idea how cracked the tactician support comp actually is. Because you just watched a streamer bonk a boss while the other 5 stood around.

Don’t even get me started with how the 6 tacticians can side stack str and instead of a sceptre 5 of them use Brutus sprinkler in offhand.

It’s not like I’ve calculated more math about this game than most people have done in real life in their life.

You assumed I was uncultured swine who can’t do mathematics.

If something is functionally gimped in party play compositions and something is functionally buffed in party play compositions, the gimped version might be playable and function, but the non gimped version is going to clear at a rate that makes the non gimped version the same as not functional.

Airing on the side of caution is fine, but this was an overly precautious choice. They should have functionally limited the stats you can get as a party from grips, but not at the abysmal degree they are now capped.

You are legit better off just using rare rings for group comp now.

They have made support style obsolete.

Now the pedestal of pure dps group comp and tactician which is basically the same thing different engine.

The absolutely cratered and useless group comp : grip of kulemak and allies scaling

You know what’s a banger idea, release spirit walker, advertise taming uniques, then destroy allies scaling group compositions!

Surely nothing could go wrong. Do people even read these anymore?

A dude keeps telling me to read more books but I feel like I write like 10 a year talking common sense to people.

Free advice if it’s that you can get too much % minion damage now using uniques/other tech maybe lower that shit, instead of absolutely slaughtering your own design room. I guess something had to get slaughtered. Too bad it was literally the most interesting kulemak’s.

I can’t lie and say they weren’t mathematically the best rings in the game. Now they are trash. Along with anything that could have been done with group cdr %, attack speed %, cast speed %, accuracy %.

Yall got no idea how many group builds are now just gone.

Because most of you didn’t even know how cracked these rings were.

Prior to this change a party of 6 ritualist just using the you and allies cdr roll would be better than legacy temporalis equip on each player. Did I mention with legacy ingenuity it got more cracked?

Oh anyway you could equip temporalis and then use this tech to lower the cooldown of everyone’s mirage archers to next to nothing.

Now you can’t.

You could also have 6 ritualists with 3x rings % you and allies cdr and % skill effect duration. Was lit.

Past tense of course because now it’s dead.

Along with hundreds if not thousands of other compositions/builds.

Most people are so math illiterate they don’t know what they lost.

I simply ask you to show me something getting nerfed more than 500% in the history of Poe or poe2 other than this.

A simple request I will wait.

To put this into perspective legacy temporalis isn’t actually a 100% nerf. It’s actually like a 85% nerf due to additional socket potiental not existing on legacy temporalis.

The 15% quiver bonus to 6% is 150% nerf.

Do you think either of those combined nerfs killed either build type to anywhere near the degree as the kulemak change?

Let me help you, the quiver jewels are for bow builds, the temporalis does have some range in its uses, but those grips represented far more builds than you think.

Dead honestly I wanna see how good the community actually is at math. I was told everyone was good at math but those rings cost exalts and single divs all of .4.

I guess because most of you will never actually know what you lost, it doesn’t matter to you.

That’s as far as I’m gonna talk on this topic.

With one final note: this may have an unintended consequence of even less people caring about defense/defense based builds.

What’s less than next to none?

as someone already said
this patch (or even the entire EA) is focused on content addition
1.they add something
2.they make it strong so people test it
3.success? nerf if it is a huge success, balance otherwise
4.fail? well, there are ol'reliable builds to fallback. rework for next patch.

pro tip: lowering your expectations will make you less disappointed. there will always be someone disappointed, maybe you, maybe your neighbor.

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Lore#3772 wrote:

You assumed I was uncultured swine who can’t do mathematics.

Let me stop you right there buddy, I don't even know who you are, I was responding to the OP. See how I didn't quote you? Hate to tell you, not everything's about you.

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Lore#3772 wrote:

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No offense, but all I'm getting from this is "shit's so OP and I really wanted to play it, but now I can't. sad face".

If you understand how broken it would have been, why are you so upset that it got nerfed beforehand? You have done so much math yet forgot about the variable "expected balance"?

Salivating over something that would have been broken and then seething over it because you didn't get your way is really just on you. You can still play your thing.

Ya gotta pepper a couple philosophy courses into those math degree programs.

Everyone knows you never go full math.