Returned for the new League and Melee still reeks of awfulness.

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Quest27#4670 wrote:

I agree that all melee skills being animation locked and stuck in place feels like sh!t. There's just no better way to say it.

Jonathan Rogers explicitly stated that he did not want combat to be critiqued as bad or not best-in-class, similar to PoE1.

Here is the exact timestamp where he says it: https://youtu.be/HtTxuE5aP88?t=1687

Yet he has, unfortunately, made a game where melee combat feels bad. That's just the truth.

Some people enjoy it, true. But some people enjoy cutting themselves. There are always masochists. The mass reception is that melee feels janky and/or bad.

An Ancient god has appeared lol, Melee is cooked we still don't have HP on the tree, its no excuse.

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Nokkyu#1880 wrote:

Of course look and feel are the defining metrics for what a skill is perceived to be in a game, how else do you want to differentiate them?

My point is precisely that it doesn't feel any different.. it barely looks any different, it doesn't play any different.

And scaling is irrelevant for this comparison, they could've literally made spells scale with weapon damage if they wanted to... and honestly I wish they did because they've created an additional layer of complexity that serves no purpose other then making balance more difficult for themselves.

And also used that as an excuse for +gem levels if you've seen in one of the interviews when asked about it in the past.

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Nokkyu#1880 wrote:

People will always complain. From my experience: mostly about their own skill issues or just blatantly made up stuff. So that goal is unreachable anyway.

Regardless of what your opinion on that is, you initially claimed he reached that goal. And he clearly didn't.

Right now you're basically doing that meme that goes somewhere along these lines

"Well he definitely did that"
"Well, he can't do that anyway"
"Well, who wants that anyway"

You know, that type of thing.

And while I do agree with your statement in a vacuum... it doesn't apply here at all. And it's a really cheap way to discard any criticism. There's no skill issue to speak of for one, and clearly it isn't "made up" as everyone can see with their own two eyes how things are. You can choose to deny and pretend like you don't see it but that doesn't change facts.

This forum posts lifecycle:

- Get responded
- Get discussed
- Found compromise
- 2-3 guys throwing shit on each other for a page or few
- Nobody reads pages with compromise anymore
- Rinse and repeat

I would think adding another melee class before 1.0 release would help. More feedback the better to fix melee.

The biggest issue with melee is that warrior is all we have right now if you historically play bottom left. I have the feeling that axes aren't coming in 1.0 either.

Projectile filled, speedy, explody builds create hype. That's probably easier to do with builds on the projectile/speed side of the tree. Appears to be more of a marketing strategy thing than a "this will make the game more fun" type of thing. GGG used to do things for the latter.

Now that shield wall exists they need to just make the other warrior skills better, seeing clips of that and then seeing how they did earthshatter is a bit sad.

Did you know that axes arent fully melee btw? They will have a bunch of projectile skills where you throw the axe. :)

And regarding Earthshatter/ Shield wall. What youre saying here just shows that you havent even really played maces, like most people on the forums who shit on it constantly. It is actually quite good, very similar to shield wall with even better single target damage. If you dont believe me, Carn did a fresh start run with it just a few days ago if you need proof.

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

This forum posts lifecycle:

- Get responded
- Get discussed
- Found compromise
- 2-3 guys throwing shit on each other for a page or few
- Nobody reads pages with compromise anymore
- Rinse and repeat

The range and true melee arguments dont go anywhere they are a waste of time, and constantly have goal posts added every time they are shown otherwise. Not really an eachother thing, and more just rage bait.


My thing with melee is, sure some animations can be cleaned up a bit. More fluid motion maybe a flourish into the next attack rather than stop and go hit skills, like warrior with is now.

Good example:
Less like EQ and more like Rolling slam.


They did a good job with rolling. It just gets stuck on terrain a bunch ... and also it cant hit bosses with conc area on/its really difficult if you try (Zar wal EEEEE, Colossus etc...)

Kind of like.... a dynasty warriors feeling? Just without its rediuclousness obviously. Where you are constantly moving with your feet and your weapon is in motion. And you use the weapons momentum to carry you around since its a giant ass hammer.

Just like rolling slam!

Really is a minor issue I have, again they can work on other things, but that would make it "feel" a bit more better I suppose.

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Nokkyu#1880 wrote:

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

Guys, it's heading nowhere.

Second thing is that melee builds are fine when compared to ranged ones, considering the poe2 reality.
Melee require better sustain as you cannot just avoid the damage by killing from afar continuously. And it is player's job to cover for that whilst making the build.

Thank you and have a wonderful night!

My hope is that they add something like fortify from PoE1 (but better/more interesting than just generic damage reduction) for melee in PoE2

you too.

+1

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Argonlo#6237 wrote:

Did you know that axes arent fully melee btw? They will have a bunch of projectile skills where you throw the axe. :)

And regarding Earthshatter/ Shield wall. What youre saying here just shows that you havent even really played maces, like most people on the forums who shit on it constantly. It is actually quite good, very similar to shield wall with even better single target damage. If you dont believe me, Carn did a fresh start run with it just a few days ago if you need proof.

Please there is definitely enough footage you can share were we can reach similar dps or speed numbers as other builds or are you just referring to early game speed runners and others dominating some ladders, while CoC spellcasters every league look down on poor warriors for not being able to be tankier nor deal more damage or being as fast?

Or even better, all three together. :)

I have problems finding something that would show me something like that. I am aware of several sites which normally provide such infos, but maybe such an experienced being like you who clearly have more clue as anyone else could provide also sources and not just "believe me bro" comments?

Thanks