Returned for the new League and Melee still reeks of awfulness.

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Skutz123#5377 wrote:

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Appreciate the attempt and I watched this video in good faith. Aside from the last 10 seconds with the boss that falls over dead in a few hits, the rest of it was the AoE effectively a spell trigger type spam 'melee in name only' that I was talking about.

Landing a single hit on something that triggers a near screenwide explosion isn't the upclose sort of melee combat that I was hoping for. For sure these melee in name only skill builds can work in this game, some extremely well and game breaking because it's an easy game to break, but it's not the gameplay I want, and I don't think it's what the OP or others want either.

I may not be doing as good a job explaining what I'd like to see as I think I am, but it's also just not possible in this game to kill every mob in a giant swarm with a precise up close attack. It doesn't fit the pace or mechanics.

And that's fine, game is just gonna be whatever they make it.

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Skutz123#5377 wrote:

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

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Skutz123#5377 wrote:

Was awaiting your arrival, you seem to be a regular counter in all of these threads. Would really love to see a video showcase of your amazing melee builds and gameplay. My assumption is you're basically using the melee attacks that are effectively projectile attacks/AoE spells, but would love to be proven wrong. Show us the way, show us how up close melee combat works well in this game.

I know you're not quoting me, but I actually have a video, so just to show that melee can work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKP_nsKcAXc
Genuinely one thing killing me was UArbiter one-shots. But I one shotted him as well.

Appreciate the attempt and I watched this video in good faith. Aside from the last 10 seconds with the boss that falls over dead in a few hits, the rest of it was the AoE effectively a spell trigger type spam 'melee in name only' that I was talking about.

Landing a single hit on something that triggers a near screenwide explosion isn't the upclose sort of melee combat that I was hoping for. For sure these melee in name only skill builds can work in this game, some extremely well and game breaking because it's an easy game to break, but it's not the gameplay I want, and I don't think it's what the OP or others want either.

I may not be doing as good a job explaining what I'd like to see as I think I am, but it's also just not possible in this game to kill every mob in a giant swarm with a precise up close attack. It doesn't fit the pace or mechanics.

And that's fine, game is just gonna be whatever they make it.

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

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Skutz123#5377 wrote:

Was awaiting your arrival, you seem to be a regular counter in all of these threads. Would really love to see a video showcase of your amazing melee builds and gameplay. My assumption is you're basically using the melee attacks that are effectively projectile attacks/AoE spells, but would love to be proven wrong. Show us the way, show us how up close melee combat works well in this game.

I know you're not quoting me, but I actually have a video, so just to show that melee can work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKP_nsKcAXc
Genuinely one thing killing me was UArbiter one-shots. But I one shotted him as well.

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

I mean, you're just touching things and everything around them explodes.. Not sure how that can be considered melee combat.

Here's a funny comparison... I don't remember the skill name for sure, i think it was lightning warp.. but I precisely recall people having a build with that teleporting to mobs and exploding them exactly like you do there... does that make lightning warp melee? (correct me if wrong on the name.

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

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Skutz123#5377 wrote:

Was awaiting your arrival, you seem to be a regular counter in all of these threads. Would really love to see a video showcase of your amazing melee builds and gameplay. My assumption is you're basically using the melee attacks that are effectively projectile attacks/AoE spells, but would love to be proven wrong. Show us the way, show us how up close melee combat works well in this game.

I know you're not quoting me, but I actually have a video, so just to show that melee can work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKP_nsKcAXc
Genuinely one thing killing me was UArbiter one-shots. But I one shotted him as well.

I mean, you're just touching things and everything around them explodes.. Not sure how that can be considered melee combat.

Here's a funny comparison... I don't remember the skill name for sure, i think it was lightning warp.. but I precisely recall people having a build with that teleporting to mobs and exploding them exactly like you do there... does that make lightning warp melee? (correct me if wrong on the name.

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

Whilst hard to disagree, before I had 1000DPS Qstaff I was comboing Shattering Palm with Void Illusions dodge ability to pop the crystals. It was not as fast, but worked really well - and I was really deep into the monsters with dodging forward.

That being said, I don't think there is a build that would only go upclose and bonk without splashes etc. You always can add some AoE, herald or something. Not using such would be wasting ways of improvement to the build just to fulfill the fantasy that doesn't really fit into the reality of gameplay in poe2.

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Skutz123#5377 wrote:

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

Whilst hard to disagree, before I had 1000DPS Qstaff I was comboing Shattering Palm with Void Illusions dodge ability to pop the crystals. It was not as fast, but worked really well - and I was really deep into the monsters with dodging forward.

That being said, I don't think there is a build that would only go upclose and bonk without splashes etc. You always can add some AoE, herald or something. Not using such would be wasting ways of improvement to the build just to fulfill the fantasy that doesn't really fit into the reality of gameplay in poe2.

Yep. There's not really a build or skill that does what I'm asking, and even if there was it wouldn't work or be effective or viable when all that's really needed in PoE2 is fast clearing. Do X amount of Damage over Y area per Z time = win. You can even use your AoE trash clearing skills to kill pinnacle bosses within 5-10 seconds or even one shot them.

Classic melee isn't going to work for that in PoE2. It could have had they gone in a different direction, but they've gone in the opposite direction, and enabling the true melee playstyle as I'm trying to call it would require a massive overhaul of general game design and mechanics. It's not happening, that ship has sailed.

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Nokkyu#1880 wrote:

you mean he is touching things, as in going into melee range to deal damage with a melee weapon ?
Real crazy how that could be considered melee ;)