Returned for the new League and Melee still reeks of awfulness.

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Quest27#4670 wrote:

I agree that all melee skills being animation locked and stuck in place feels like sh!t. There's just no better way to say it.

Jonathan Rogers explicitly stated that he did not want combat to be critiqued as bad or not best-in-class, similar to PoE1.

Here is the exact timestamp where he says it: https://youtu.be/HtTxuE5aP88?t=1687

Yet he has, unfortunately, made a game where melee combat feels bad. That's just the truth.

Some people enjoy it, true. But some people enjoy cutting themselves. There are always masochists. The mass reception is that melee feels janky and/or bad.

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Nokkyu#1880 wrote:

Sorry, but if your definition of melee is that you are only allowed to hit 1 enemy at a time, that melee will inherently be bad because there are very often more than 1 enemy on the screen.

That take is just ridiculous.

You seem to be unable to explain what you want because its a paradox to begin with. You want melee to be able to clear as good as other skills, but you also want melee to be restricted to single target strike type of skills.

In the Video he is always up close in the enemies face hitting them with a stick, but using additional effects for proper clear.
He is not hitting the primary target from far away as a ranged attack / spell would.

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Skutz123#5377 wrote:

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Nokkyu#1880 wrote:

Sorry, but if your definition of melee is that you are only allowed to hit 1 enemy at a time, that melee will inherently be bad because there are very often more than 1 enemy on the screen.

That take is just ridiculous.

You seem to be unable to explain what you want because its a paradox to begin with. You want melee to be able to clear as good as other skills, but you also want melee to be restricted to single target strike type of skills.

In the Video he is always up close in the enemies face hitting them with a stick, but using additional effects for proper clear.
He is not hitting the primary target from far away as a ranged attack / spell would.

Now now friend, just because you don't understand what I'm saying doesn't mean you get to put words in my mouth. I'm not asking for melee to AoE clear as good as other skills, there's no paradox except to the confused mind.

I have conceded true melee won't work in this game, because yes it's not going to work to hit one enemy at a time when you have 50 mob swarms coming at you. They'd have needed to stick to the original expressed vision of meaningful active combat, where mobs had more hps, presented in fewer numbers, and presumably took a series of moves or combos to take out. In the case of multiple mobs (but not 50) you'd have to take some defensive maneuvers, not just spam your AoE attacks faster. They wouldn't have put mechanics like parry and active blocking in the game if they had been thinking to bum rush swarm with mobs was the way to go.

But they are now bum rush swarming PCs so real melee isn't going to work. You can call an apple an orange all you want, everyone else still knows it's an apple even if you don't.

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

Maybe parry technique could work for you? It has AoE, everything does, but it also have the melee vibe with parrying.
It's far from meta, we all know that, I am just trying to throw you something you could try to enjoy :)

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Nokkyu#1880 wrote:

No, he doesnt hit enemies with a melee weapon.

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Argonlo#6237 wrote:

PoE2 combat is best in class though. Its the best feeling combat in any ARPG.
Sure you have some people that are really mad about melee but he reached the goal he states in that quote.

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Skutz123#5377 wrote:

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

OP the way you frame it is ... a bit over the top. And very binary to the point its just incorrect in several spots.


There are some issues with melee but I wouldnt call it major or even something to worry about over other systems and mechanics that need attention.



I would suggest a different archetype as the things you are seeing are... not really a problem with melee.



Been playing melee since .1 just fine here as well.

My assumption is you're basically using the melee attacks that are effectively projectile attacks/AoE spells, but would love to be proven wrong. Show us the way, show us how up close melee combat works well in this game.

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Argonlo#6237 wrote:

PoE2 combat is best in class though. Its the best feeling combat in any ARPG.
Sure you have some people that are really mad about melee but he reached the goal he states in that quote.