One Character. All Ascendancies. True Build Freedom

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Direfell#7544 wrote:

It forces diversity of builds which is something vital to a sandbox arpg looter.
also puts the R in arpg

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It's part of game experience, making choices, you know, like in real life.

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Jagdkommando90#7200 wrote:

But classes in PoE ARE ascendancies. Same tree, same gems, same gear — the only thing a class actually decides is which 3 ascendancies you can pick.

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Chinkueda#1857 wrote:

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Jagdkommando90#7200 wrote:

dude, can you tell me in what different classes contribute into?
other than you have to run campaign AGAIN???

tell me please...

It's part of game experience, making choices, you know, like in real life.

I wouldn't say no to ability to skip campaign once completed at least once in a league but removing all classes is just an unreasonable ask from game design perspective.

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Direfell#7544 wrote:

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Jagdkommando90#7200 wrote:

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Direfell#7544 wrote:

I prefer having rpg archetypes rather than an omni-bot

but hey, thats the only thing left in POE 2 as a barricade between players and true free build diversity, why not?

The only purpose it serves right now is main campaign redo slog

I fundamentally disagree that removing barriers would create better diversity. It's more likely to homogenize the build meta.

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AbyssianOne#1625 wrote:

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Chinkueda#1857 wrote:

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Jagdkommando90#7200 wrote:

dude, can you tell me in what different classes contribute into?
other than you have to run campaign AGAIN???

tell me please...

It's part of game experience, making choices, you know, like in real life.

I wouldn't say no to ability to skip campaign once completed at least once in a league but removing all classes is just an unreasonable ask from game design perspective.

But... you would be making choices? You'd have more choices to make. Select your sprite, select your starting position on the tree, select your ascendancy.

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AbyssianOne#1625 wrote:

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Chinkueda#1857 wrote:

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Jagdkommando90#7200 wrote:

dude, can you tell me in what different classes contribute into?
other than you have to run campaign AGAIN???

tell me please...

It's part of game experience, making choices, you know, like in real life.

I wouldn't say no to ability to skip campaign once completed at least once in a league but removing all classes is just an unreasonable ask from game design perspective.

But... you would be making choices? You'd have more choices to make. Select your sprite, select your starting position on the tree, select your ascendancy.

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KäsePizza#3007 wrote:

Just my take on this. making every class being able to start anywhere and just differ by ascendancy + being able to reroll that would not create any diversity, but make everything more the same. I mean rn you have the choice of class with fixed starting location, then you can make most kinds of builds work from there. Maybe theres an insane combination of blood mage with some crossbow skill - but then you need to somehow make it work from the other side of the tree... If you could just start anywhere thered always be a best option. So its not really build freedom, just some pseudo choice. You play crossbow? Go crossbow starting area!

Also, running the campaign again can be fun, trying to optimize the run, leveling with some leveling uniques... Other than in 0.2 I got pretty much all my characters to endgame and only then didn't wanne play any more cause it felt exhausting. maybe 0.1 was too rippy, but I think it feels good now... Campaign skips just skip half the "character development", trying new skills and all. I dont get why people just wanne go to endgame when its not really different from campaign gameplay... And doing campaign like 3 times in a league cant be that repetitive and all when you want to play endgame doing the same map literally 50 times...

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Jagdkommando90#7200 wrote:

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KäsePizza#3007 wrote:

Just my take on this. making every class being able to start anywhere and just differ by ascendancy + being able to reroll that would not create any diversity, but make everything more the same. I mean rn you have the choice of class with fixed starting location, then you can make most kinds of builds work from there. Maybe theres an insane combination of blood mage with some crossbow skill - but then you need to somehow make it work from the other side of the tree... If you could just start anywhere thered always be a best option. So its not really build freedom, just some pseudo choice. You play crossbow? Go crossbow starting area!

Also, running the campaign again can be fun, trying to optimize the run, leveling with some leveling uniques... Other than in 0.2 I got pretty much all my characters to endgame and only then didn't wanne play any more cause it felt exhausting. maybe 0.1 was too rippy, but I think it feels good now... Campaign skips just skip half the "character development", trying new skills and all. I dont get why people just wanne go to endgame when its not really different from campaign gameplay... And doing campaign like 3 times in a league cant be that repetitive and all when you want to play endgame doing the same map literally 50 times...

Mate you are totally wrong, if there is a blood mage and crossbow combination like in previous season, you literally have to start over change your class to blood mage to be able to get specific ascendancy so the only friction we really see here is starting over and going through the slog campaign there is nothing more literally nothing so I don't see any meaningful thing in classes if we have obvious meta class and everybody going to change their classes to that one, to choose that specific ascendancy that's it