Zoomers will never be happy in PoE 2.

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onetruelai#7327 wrote:

The problem with meaningful combat is that GGG picked the least compatible genre for that, and the least compatible game in that genre.

I mean take BG3 or Divinity. You can do all kinds of cool situational stuff. Electrocute water, blow up a barrel, throw enemies into each other. There's a selection of spells you can use in different situations. You don't just spam fireball or whatever. This IS cool.

The problem is, they're turn-based games. Or very slow paced games. Or have stealth like Dishonored. Not to mention that oftentimes the fights are CAREFULLY DESIGNED to reward certain interactions. If you see a puddle of water in Divinity, it's placed there by the developer for you to throw some lightning at it.

You won't be electrocuting water and tactically use spells in a fast-paced game like PoE. The closest you can get to "meaningful" combat in PoE is have a *spammable* combo like leap slam -> boneshatter or something. Something you don't need to think about too much, and in essense you're still using one skill - it just involves pressing multiple buttons.

If i try to use a sub-optimal skill composition, say, on a crossbow mercenary, i won't get "meaningful combat". I'll just get lots of backpedaling. If i have a poweful skill in my composition that has a 5 seconds CD, it'll be backpedaling until i can use that skill. This is NOT tactical, NOT meaninfgul, and least of all, fun.

If GGG wants slow-paced, "meaningful" combat, they need to rewrite poe2 into a slow-paced game with a lot less build customization (otherwise players will just find a way to blow up screens regardless) and an active pause. I would play it. But current PoE2 is not that, and it'll never be that. And simply adding some spenders and cooldowns won't change that. People will just avoid these because in a game with that much customization, there will always be better options.

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Alexmurador#9772 wrote:

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MadSheo#0280 wrote:

True.
There is nothing to add.
People say there is no wrong way to play the game and i disagree completely. Imagine being Fubgun and playing 1500 seasons creating same character who just picks movement speed and crits on a tree and calling it a build. I wish some streamers didn't make "content". When i joined this game people said you can't play without following a build and now i udnerstand that following a build is the worst thing you could do.

Yet he clears all content the game has to offer on a record time.

and before you say "hur dur this is not fun" YES, it is a lot of fun for a lot of people.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

The irony of this thread title is almost poetic, because it’s obviously the complete opposite of reality.

Slow-paced tourists will never be happy in PoE 2. The game could crawl at the speed of a dial-up modem and they’d still complain it’s not slow enough. For them, every fight should feel like wading through cement which, newsflash, would make it not PoE and definitely not an ARPG.

PoE 2 is a zoom-zoom game, and it should stay that way. Either accept it, or kindly find another hobby.

And when the game is teetering on collapse because a loud minority of human speed bumps managed to sabotage the experience for everyone else, GGG will eventually have to step in and put an end to this slow-motion circus.

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MadSheo#0280 wrote:

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Alexmurador#9772 wrote:

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MadSheo#0280 wrote:

True.
There is nothing to add.
People say there is no wrong way to play the game and i disagree completely. Imagine being Fubgun and playing 1500 seasons creating same character who just picks movement speed and crits on a tree and calling it a build. I wish some streamers didn't make "content". When i joined this game people said you can't play without following a build and now i udnerstand that following a build is the worst thing you could do.

Yet he clears all content the game has to offer on a record time.

and before you say "hur dur this is not fun" YES, it is a lot of fun for a lot of people.

Oh yes, Path of Exile 2, a game about beating content in recod time. And fubgun and his fans are having so much fun that everything they talk about is how the game is bad not realising its bad only for them because that is one of the wosrt ways to play games or approach anything in life.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

The irony of this thread title is almost poetic, because it’s obviously the complete opposite of reality.

Slow-paced tourists will never be happy in PoE 2. The game could crawl at the speed of a dial-up modem and they’d still complain it’s not slow enough. For them, every fight should feel like wading through cement which, newsflash, would make it not PoE and definitely not an ARPG.

PoE 2 is a zoom-zoom game, and it should stay that way. Either accept it, or kindly find another hobby.

And when the game is teetering on collapse because a loud minority of human speed bumps managed to sabotage the experience for everyone else, GGG will eventually have to step in and put an end to this slow-motion circus.

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Alexmurador#9772 wrote:

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MadSheo#0280 wrote:

True.
There is nothing to add.
People say there is no wrong way to play the game and i disagree completely. Imagine being Fubgun and playing 1500 seasons creating same character who just picks movement speed and crits on a tree and calling it a build. I wish some streamers didn't make "content". When i joined this game people said you can't play without following a build and now i udnerstand that following a build is the worst thing you could do.

Yet he clears all content the game has to offer on a record time.

and before you say "hur dur this is not fun" YES, it is a lot of fun for a lot of people.

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MadSheo#0280 wrote:

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

The irony of this thread title is almost poetic, because it’s obviously the complete opposite of reality.

Slow-paced tourists will never be happy in PoE 2. The game could crawl at the speed of a dial-up modem and they’d still complain it’s not slow enough. For them, every fight should feel like wading through cement which, newsflash, would make it not PoE and definitely not an ARPG.

PoE 2 is a zoom-zoom game, and it should stay that way. Either accept it, or kindly find another hobby.

And when the game is teetering on collapse because a loud minority of human speed bumps managed to sabotage the experience for everyone else, GGG will eventually have to step in and put an end to this slow-motion circus.

- Calls people tourists
- Never supported GGG
- Speaks for a large group of people
- Has no relevant data, just reddit posts liked by 1k people
- Doesnt realise that 500k playerbase doesnt even go to his echochambers

Yeah, checks out.

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MadSheo#0280 wrote:

- Calls people tourists
- Never supported GGG
- Speaks for a large group of people
- Has no relevant data, just reddit posts liked by 1k people
- Doesnt realise that 500k playerbase doesnt even go to his echochambers

Yeah, checks out.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

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MadSheo#0280 wrote:

- Calls people tourists
- Never supported GGG
- Speaks for a large group of people
- Has no relevant data, just reddit posts liked by 1k people
- Doesnt realise that 500k playerbase doesnt even go to his echochambers

Yeah, checks out.

I have supported GGG by buying gold, I've just never bought packs.

The slowpacers think they are the majority? Go ahead, make an in game poll, I really really want to see the result on this very topic.

No relevant data? We have 0.2 and steam reviews. When 0.2 was launched, the reviews on steam went from positive to mixed. Almost every new feedback was extremely negative. 0.3 redeemed it.

I know that the slowpacers somehow think they are the majority. This needs to be addressed by GGG by an in game poll so that the delusions can be exposed.