Zoomers will never be happy in PoE 2.

looking at new parry rant because it looks too easy to use now, tells me that none side can ever be happy.

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Megami83Tensei#9384 wrote:

D2 is among the slowest ARPG'S in history and even it didn't have "slow meaningful combat",and virtually no APRG does.

You guys are basically asking for a different game entirely and getting upset when 90% of the fan base tells you "lol that's impossible".Slow is antithetical to the genre.

Yup, and remember, even in D2, enigma exist and everyone uses it.
Therefore, end game, D2 is vastly faster than POE2.

D2 was/is zoom zoom. Always been since LOD, and people enjoy it that way.

Remove enigma, then 95% of the players will go with sorceress for teleport.

The slow pacers need to accept they were lied to by the GGG studio and move on. The game they are asking for dosen't exist and will never exist with path of exile and the closer they will try to get to this false utopia, the worse the game will get.

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Yup, and remember, even in D2, enigma exist and everyone uses it.
Therefore, end game, D2 is vastly faster than POE2.

Enigma is not the endgame there. It is the END there. When you finally get it, the game is over.

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Remove enigma, then 95% of the players will go with sorceress for teleport.

Sorc can do nothing without full inv of +skills and infinity, which is actually harder to get than enigma. So again, once you get it, the game is over.

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D2 was/is zoom zoom.

Never been. If you start zooming on hell, it is literally the end.

And to get there - you have to play for months without trade and weeks with trade (unless you are a creditcard warrior) who buys stuff from botters on day 1.

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Azimuthus#1135 wrote:

Enigma is not the endgame there. It is the END there. When you finally get it, the game is over.

No. Actually, the game starts when you have enigma.

I dont want slow combat.

I want character evolve into "feeling like a god and kill the whole map".

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Darosius#3984 wrote:

I dont want slow combat.

I want character evolve into "feeling like a god and kill the whole map".

Yes. That is what the overwhelming, crushing majority wants. This isn’t a debate, it’s not a difference of opinion, it’s settled reality.

An in-game poll would completely crush this loud minority delusions.

We want the climb. We want the struggle, the gearing, the leveling, the grind because once you hit top gear, mapping should feel like you're a god.

Anyone pretending otherwise, anyone claiming this isn’t the consensus, is either blatantly lying to you or running some kind of weird agenda. And either way, they’re doing the competition a massive favor, because if GGG caves to that tiny, loud minority, the game will be well on its way to becoming yet another corpse they managed to strangle.

While i dont like it when projectiles can easily clear the whole screen and go 10x faster than everyone else, I will say that if your character is not consistently progressing at least a little bit the game becomes stale.

The fact that mageblood is one of, if not THE most sought out item in poe1 is a testament to this. It was hh before that.

The campaign should feel like a1 fresh warrior though.

If the game was ssf only and rebalanced you wouldn't feel the need to trade for hundreds of divines. You would just be farming for uniques or crafting materials or to complete whatever challenge you want to accomplish.

Trade league is the entire focus of why zoom zoom meta exists.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

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Megami83Tensei#9384 wrote:

D2 is among the slowest ARPG'S in history and even it didn't have "slow meaningful combat",and virtually no APRG does.

You guys are basically asking for a different game entirely and getting upset when 90% of the fan base tells you "lol that's impossible".Slow is antithetical to the genre.

Yup, and remember, even in D2, enigma exist and everyone uses it.
Therefore, end game, D2 is vastly faster than POE2.

D2 was/is zoom zoom. Always been since LOD, and people enjoy it that way.

Remove enigma, then 95% of the players will go with sorceress for teleport.

The slow pacers need to accept they were lied to by the GGG studio and move on. The game they are asking for dosen't exist and will never exist with path of exile and the closer they will try to get to this false utopia, the worse the game will get.

Been playing D2 for over 20 years, never gotten enmiga. Never zoomed.

Once you had enigma and were zooming, the game was over. You could easily and effortlessly farm the entire game and had no reason to keep playing and getting stronger.

It takes hundreds of hours of farming to get an engmia in D2 and start "zooming".
In modern ARPGs, you're zooming before you even finish the campaign.

This statement is so laughably wrong I don't even know how you people can keep repeating it with a straight face.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 wrote:

Been playing D2 for over 20 years, never gotten enmiga. Never zoomed.

RIP, I'm sad to hear that, maybe you'll get there. There's not a single season that I've played in which I haven't got enigma. I just cannot fathom playing D2 without having that goal to start really enjoying the game.

Every competitive/rational player are racing to get one and are trading for the missing runes with each other. The uniques are so exciting in comparison to what we currently have in POE 2 0.3.

It's a tragedy because we had such sexy unique items in 0.1, I was under the mirage this would be the best game of all time and that GGG finally unlocked the key to make the ultimate arpg. Then I saw the people asking for the dreadful slow pacing that apparently GGG promised them with. And it makes absolute no sense to me that this is somehow a thing people would want.

Imagine dodge rolling meaningful combat all the time whilst mapping even if you are top geared. This would be utter garbage. There would be no reward in grinding for gear.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 wrote:

Once you had enigma and were zooming, the game was over. You could easily and effortlessly farm the entire game and had no reason to keep playing and getting stronger.

Then you truly don't understand anything about Diablo 2. Getting enigma is not the end of the game. Baal runs and such was/is still much more fun that POE2 infinite current atlas "end game". It's a joke in comparison.

You absolutely could get stronger with life Skiller. Also PVP is a thing.

This is incredible. I cannot believe what I'm reading, truly, the slow pacer do play a different game than the rest of the veteran players. And yes, I make an absolute distinction between slow pacers and veteran in an hack and slash arpg. This is simply logical.

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

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Darosius#3984 wrote:

I dont want slow combat.

I want character evolve into "feeling like a god and kill the whole map".

Yes. That is what the overwhelming, crushing majority wants. This isn’t a debate, it’s not a difference of opinion, it’s settled reality.

An in-game poll would completely crush this loud minority delusions.

We want the climb. We want the struggle, the gearing, the leveling, the grind because once you hit top gear, mapping should feel like you're a god.

Anyone pretending otherwise, anyone claiming this isn’t the consensus, is either blatantly lying to you or running some kind of weird agenda. And either way, they’re doing the competition a massive favor, because if GGG caves to that tiny, loud minority, the game will be well on its way to becoming yet another corpse they managed to strangle.

Yes they are the minority, thats why ggg decreased monster packs and nerfed rhoa and ms boots. Oh god why ggg didnt listen to the vaaaaast majority