4 months cycle development is not working

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GGG has been consistently transparent about why there are two separate games, the decision to split development, and why that plan was kept under wraps for months.


Look, I don't care about PoE2. It's not a factor for me, my life or any of my arguments. They can do whatever they want with PoE2. Every developer is of course in their full right to make a sequel, and I understand perfectly well that there's no point of making a sequel if they are going to make a copy of their first game, like Call of Duty has been doing for decades.

But I supported and funded PoE for years, believing that my favorite game would get a graphical and quality update. Them deciding to split the games is TOTALLY OK and understandable. Hell, I would probably do the same, because it would give me so much more creative freedom making the sequel, and the potential of that sequel would be much greater.

A dead banana can understand all of that.

What I wouldn't do, would be to give the middle finger to everyone waiting and supporting their game - after they told us both games would be fully supported. I would make SURE to also add what was promised to PoE 1; new character models, new socket system, new animations and graphical improvements. Hell, they even SHOWED a lot of this IN the PoE1 environment during the first ExileCon, yet; nothing.

You keep telling me they have been clear and transparent about why they kept the decision to split the games under wraps, letting people continuously support the game based on the initial 4.0 plan/idea. Can you link to a statement as to why they kept this under wraps? Being "clear and transparent" do not equal "2 years of silence about a fundamental shift in development, affecting hundred thousand players" in my eyes, but we clearly just have to agree to disagree there.
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Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Dec 6, 2025, 10:50:02 AM
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Phrazz#3529 wrote:
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GGG has been consistently transparent about why there are two separate games, the decision to split development, and why that plan was kept under wraps for months.


Look, I don't care about PoE2. It's not a factor for me, my life or any of my arguments. They can do whatever they want with PoE2. Every developer is of course in their full right to make a sequel, and I understand perfectly well that there's no point of making a sequel if they are going to make a copy of their first game, like Call of Duty has been doing for decades.

But I supported and funded PoE for years, believing that my favorite game would get a graphical and quality update. Them deciding to split the games is TOTALLY OK and understandable. Hell, I would probably do the same, because it would give me so much more creative freedom making the sequel, and the potential of that sequel would be much greater.

A dead banana can understand all of that.

What I wouldn't do, would be to give the middle finger to everyone waiting and supporting their game - after they told us both games would be fully supported. I would make SURE to also add what was promised to PoE 1; new character models, new socket system, new animations and graphical improvements. Hell, they even SHOWED a lot of this IN the PoE1 environment during the first ExileCon, yet; nothing.

You keep telling me they have been clear and transparent about why they kept the decision to split the games under wraps, letting people continuously support the game based on the initial 4.0 plan/idea. Can you link to a statement as to why they kept this under wraps? Being "clear and transparent" do not equal "2 years of silence about a fundamental shift in development, affecting hundred thousand players" in my eyes, but we clearly just have to agree to disagree there.


And when it comes to transparency, announcing game separation on the X platform and not on their official site was clearly a middle finger to POE1 players.
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I agree with you 100%.
I don't hate poe2, I just want what they promised to POE1 players on ExileCon 2019; new character models, new socket system, new animations and graphical improvements.

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PoE 2 imo is only popular because of the sick content they keep pumping out. That's why they keep pushing high quality stuff to keep their audience engaged. Meanwhile, we got the worst league in history, retention-wise.


I was so fucking hyped when Keepers of the Flame League was announced that I bought a new Supporter Pack, but I was very quickly disappointed by how little effort they put into the new content. Compared to when you look at the quality, effort and support POE2 new content gets.
Last edited by Vladimori#5755 on Dec 6, 2025, 12:11:25 PM
The issue is how openly and casual they talk about literally taking poe1 dev's to work on the other game.

Even if they dont mention it anymore it's pretty obvious in the amount of content and resources the other game got invested vs this league content and changes.

Somehow they managed to create a WORSE league than necropolis go figure that out. They are really trying to kill the game that made them successful in the first place..
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Take me back when poe was the actual focus.
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Xystre#4581 wrote:
The issue is how openly and casual they talk about literally taking poe1 dev's to work on the other game.

Even if they dont mention it anymore it's pretty obvious in the amount of content and resources the other game got invested vs this league content and changes.

Somehow they managed to create a WORSE league than necropolis go figure that out. They are really trying to kill the game that made them successful in the first place..


The way they're handling dev cycles ensures maximum utilization actually. This is smart. And it's no secret they hired a lot of people over the past few years. You'd have to be a negative Andy to not see that.

Now, I can understand that if you don't care about PoE2 at all you'd be somewhat salty that PoE1 isn't given full attention, but that's no reason to act out like that.
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Xystre#4581 wrote:
The issue is how openly and casual they talk about literally taking poe1 dev's to work on the other game.

Even if they dont mention it anymore it's pretty obvious in the amount of content and resources the other game got invested vs this league content and changes.

Somehow they managed to create a WORSE league than necropolis go figure that out. They are really trying to kill the game that made them successful in the first place..


It is a practical approach to ensure that as much content as possible is ready for the next patch. Even PoE2 could not complete all of its planned content for version 0.4, which they mentioned during the reveal stream due to time constraints. Now that the PoE2 patch is nearly ready, they will begin shifting their focus back to PoE1. It is next in line, and depending on how well or poorly that goes, it will result in a strong league or a weak one.

The idea that they are trying to kill the game is exaggerated and overly dramatic. If that were truly their intention, they would not have pushed out a new expansion and continued working on PoE1. They would have left the game on minimal life support with only essential bug fixes. Instead, they have resumed the four month league cycle because it is something the players have been asking for, and because they do still care about this game.
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they do still care about this game.


Do they? Or are they just making the minimum amount of effort to make it profitable enough to fund PoE2? (Yeah, yeah, I know PoE2 is more than capable of funding itself).

The question here, between all the doomsaying and hyperbole, is of course "how much" they care and "why" they care. Are they pushing out new PoE1 league because they are still passionate about the game and have clear plans for the future, or are they pushing out new leagues just because PoE1 is still profitable?

I would say that if they really cared, we would have what they said we would 6 years ago. And if they really have plans for the future of PoE1, show us, tell us, talk to us. Be transparent.
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Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Dec 7, 2025, 10:37:09 AM
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Phrazz#3529 wrote:
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they do still care about this game.


Do they? Or are they just making the minimum amount of effort to make it profitable enough to fund PoE2? (Yeah, yeah, I know PoE2 is more than capable of funding itself).

The question here, between all the doomsaying and hyperbole, is of course "how much" they care and "why" they care. Are they pushing out new PoE1 league because they are still passionate about the game and have clear plans for the future, or are they pushing out new leagues just because PoE1 is still profitable?

I would say that if they really cared, we would have what they said we would 6 years ago. And if they really have plans for the future of PoE1, show us, tell us, talk to us. Be transparent.


This thread is a true testament that some people will never be pleased and use any fault they can find and point at as an excuse to be judgemental like this.

They could have easily said they'll focus completely on PoE2 and just do ladder resets or smaller events for PoE1 while they finish the sequel. But they didn't do that. Instead, they committed to not only maintaining PoE1, but dropping big content patches and refining the base game. All the QoL they're adding and the fact they're still refining existing systems in the game is proof of that.

And they maintain that they'll continue to run PoE1 alongside PoE2, putting themselves on a tight schedule switching between releases for both games.

Compare this approach to Blizzard and how they handled Overwatch. If you're unfamiliar: they respect their players so little they didn't even care that they'd lose access to playing Overwatch 1 like they used to. It's just gone. Instead, you can only play Overwatch 2. A lot of old fans don't like the new game and would rather continue playing the old one, but it's dead.

Meanwhile, GGG is taking great risk in splitting up their existing community into 2 games. While many will likely play both games, others only care about the one or the other. If you only cared about money, you wouldn't make such a bold decision. Their passion for the game is evident through and through.

Other criticisms like communication style you can rightfully point out. That's valid. But calling them uncaring? You'd have to be blind to say that.
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Their passion for the game is evident through and through.


Yeah, it's evident in PoE 2, not anymore in the original.
I beg to differ. I'm not a fan of Keepers but objectively the game is in a very good spot.
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Yeah, it's evident in PoE 2, not anymore in the original.


Not the original? That's why we just received a pretty big patch about a month ago and also got back to the 4 month cycle.

They clearly do care about the game lol
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They could have easily said they'll focus completely on PoE2 and just do ladder resets or smaller events for PoE1 while they finish the sequel. But they didn't do that.


Well, if we play the "...it could always be worse"-card, it's easy to be positive. Your hypothetical scenario would be tremendously bad for GGG after everything said and done in both ExileCon.

I'm old and old-fashioned and tend to hold people to their word(s).
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