The simultaneous development of POE1 and POE2 isnt working

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Kerchunk#7797 wrote:

You have to understand how utterly absurd that is from an economic standpoint. You just have to. Why would they want this?

You don't seem to understand that ALL f2p games operate on this immutable fact of economics:

1) People buy a lot and they buy EARLY (within the first week or even first few days of a league). Like 99.9% of all money earned is in this short window. Years ago, GGG actually spelled this out for us. I remember CW specifically saying that nearly all money they get is from the first week of a new league.

2) It is in GGG's BEST ECONOMIC INTEREST to get people to do this more often. AKA: once with PoE 1 and then again 2 months later with PoE 2. And, while you might not be, the playerbase writ large IS WILLING to do that. This is true EVEN IF IT MEANS THEY LOSE PLAYERS. Because the folks willing to pay are a small crowd, the whales.

This is the most basic of basics in f2p gaming. Cellphone games THRIVE on releasing as many titles as possible, copy/pastes of each other, running all of them and raking in cash anytime there is an update, a new server, a new game, etc.

The really need two development teams, one for each game. Because game development is extremely time consuming and requires a lot of focus.

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Berylstone#2209 wrote:

The really need two development teams, one for each game. Because game development is extremely time consuming and requires a lot of focus.

They also need patience from us players. One game is completely free to play and the second one will be after full release. GGG do outstanding job and people hates them for that.

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

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Berylstone#2209 wrote:

The really need two development teams, one for each game. Because game development is extremely time consuming and requires a lot of focus.

They also need patience from us players. One game is completely free to play and the second one will be after full release. GGG do outstanding job and people hates them for that.

This is where i disagree. What i have seen so far in the endgame isnt really outstanding.

Campaign sure it has some issues, but nothing very problematic. The biggest issue there are some boss designs, but that can be fixed.

Story of POE2 is okay nothing outstanding. It doesnt have to be.

Campaign is too long tbh. and the developer seems to overlook that.

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

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Berylstone#2209 wrote:

The really need two development teams, one for each game. Because game development is extremely time consuming and requires a lot of focus.

They also need patience from us players. One game is completely free to play and the second one will be after full release. GGG do outstanding job and people hates them for that.

No they don't.
I see people overlook this and I'm not sure why.
We are customers....paying customers and this is a product.

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I think I remember Jonathan saying last time that they want 3 good leagues before releasing.

Open your eyes, the game is already in full release for a long time.

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That is not how Early Access works. You dont release an experimental patch and then basically do nothing anymore for over a month.

Yes. But this is because of the fact that the game is not in an Early Access .)

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Skyvortex#7923 wrote:

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

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Berylstone#2209 wrote:

The really need two development teams, one for each game. Because game development is extremely time consuming and requires a lot of focus.

They also need patience from us players. One game is completely free to play and the second one will be after full release. GGG do outstanding job and people hates them for that.

No they don't.
I see people overlook this and I'm not sure why.
We are customers....paying customers and this is a product.

And? You pay for lots of shit you have no control over. GGG at least gives you an option to provide feedback and contribute to development. You can be patient or you can be angry, it's your choice.

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Azimuthus#1135 wrote:

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That is not how Early Access works. You dont release an experimental patch and then basically do nothing anymore for over a month.

Yes. But this is because of the fact that the game is not in an Early Access .)

Well they dont treat it like an early access title which for me is absurd. Yes they will make more money when they do leagues which is probably the reason they do leagues.

Also it keeps the Players more engaged. Buut if they would just do more frequent updates without a new league.

You start a legaue when you have a full release. Then its also not a half assed league thats cobbled together in next to no time just to have sth and is buggy af. Also development would likely be faster if you dont have to think about league mechanics.

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

And? You pay for lots of shit you have no control over. GGG at least gives you an option to provide feedback and contribute to development. You can be patient or you can be angry, it's your choice.

They do what? Cool that you cna report bugs and provide feedback. Thats useless when the developer ignores most of it. Derelics Mansion is bugged since forever as an example.
Just look at known issues, look at how often GGG responds to bug reports. Its basically nonexistent. They dont try to confirm anything. YOU ARE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

There's clear obvious things which make it seem like POE2 is not getting attention because POE1 league is close. eg. the shattering effect is broken for around a week now. Frozen enemies just disappear from the screen instead of shattering. It makes the game feel so bad without the animation. Not even a sound of the animation. Enemies just disappear with no feedback. Even Megabonk has better feedback when you kill things.

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Skyvortex#7923 wrote:

We are customers....paying customers and this is a product.

You paid 30 and you got your game, your product.
You dont own the company... And they dont own you nothing.