Early Access Feedback - Done after a week, the economy ended it for me (again) - Forum

" FPSPV#4195 wrote: Economy is great. POE 2 now has the best trading system in ARPG history. It sounds like your actual issue is with crafting and the end game metas. the ability to trade, and the state of the economy, are and can be, 2 seperate things. just because it is easier to trade, doesnt make the economy itself, good, better, or easier to make money. and crafting, and end game meta, are direct variables to the economy. so yes. the issue is crafting and the end game. you are right on this one specific sentence.. youre just not right ... like.. the way... you want to be. infact, in the opposite way you want to be right. here is the reason: if the endgame, and craft are bad (the endgame is terrible, and crafting, while getting better, is still NOT GOOD).... which are dirrectly related to the economy... there is no possible way the economy could be good based on simple kindergarden level logic. Last edited by Innuendos#5095 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:07:40 AM	Posted by Innuendos#5095 on Sep 10, 2025, 8:59:10 AM Quote this Post
You can get perfectly good rarity pieces for 1-10ex for a starting point to ramp up just like the rest of us did. You gather enough tablets while progressing atlas to start ramping when you reach the juicing part. Etc etc etc. What I'm getting from your post is that you are not willing to progress until you can follow my advice and everyone should just get profits without any effort. There's Fortnite, CoD series, Diablo 4 etc. games for people like you who just want instant gratification without effort, heck even Last Epoch seems to be headed that way.	Posted by Carnivori#5538 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:06:11 AM Quote this Post
" Carnivori#5538 wrote: You can get perfectly good rarity pieces for 1-10ex for a starting point to ramp up just like the rest of us did. You gather enough tablets while progressing atlas to start ramping when you reach the juicing part. Etc etc etc. What I'm getting from your post is that you are not willing to progress until you can follow my advice and everyone should just get profits without any effort. There's Fortnite, CoD series, Diablo 4 etc. games for people like you who just want instant gratification without effort, heck even Last Epoch seems to be headed that way. if that is what you are getting from my post. i suggest you read more carefully. you missed the point i have an aura bot (said in my first post)... with 174% rarity atm. i aint the one who needs a shred of advise from you :) and the advise you are giving, cannot be applied to the vast majority of the playerbase. as you are talking about the end game tactics, atlas builds, map crafting, and precursor/tower building. and the vast majority of players never reach maps. Last edited by Innuendos#5095 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:13:01 AM	Posted by Innuendos#5095 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:10:45 AM Quote this Post
" the ability to trade, and the state of the economy, are and can be, 2 seperate things. No. The economy is actually based on trade. That's what an economy is--it's trading with other players. " What I'm getting from your post is that you are not willing to progress until you can follow my advice and everyone should just get profits without any effort. Pretty much. Last edited by FPSPV#4195 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:14:25 AM	Posted by FPSPV#4195 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:12:53 AM Quote this Post
" FPSPV#4195 wrote: " the ability to trade, and the state of the economy, are and can be, 2 seperate things. No. The economy is actually based on trade. That's what an economy is--it's trading with other players. US bias inc: look. its pretty easy (to trade with other players) to use ebay, facebook marketplace, amazon, w/e outlet to sell things to people. (have item sell item) that doesnt mean the countries (games) economy is good. (its not) and you kind of have to have the product before you sell it. (drop rates, and crafting) and there has to be a market for this item (end game meta that dominates the supply and demand of the league) for that ease of sale to even begin. i could go on and on here. but i think you get the point. like i said. economy isnt just the trade window. which is in a great state. everything else... isnt in a good state. (drop rates, crafting, end game build balance) therefore, by logic, and definitions, the sum of all the parts (the economy) cannot be good.	Posted by Innuendos#5095 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:20:36 AM Quote this Post
I'm not sure what any of that means. Again, an economy involves trade.	Posted by FPSPV#4195 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:21:42 AM Quote this Post
" FPSPV#4195 wrote: I'm not sure what any of that means. Again, an economy involves trade. the economy is a sum of parts. for poe 2 those parts are: trading window/npc trading window drop rates. crafting. end game/ end game balance. build balance/diversity. the parts, of the economy are not in a good state, unfinished, and/or too low, etc. said by both the devs, and players mouths. btw. the only exception being the trade window and npc trading window. which i think is a pretty easy 90-100 % approval rate win from everyone. therefore, the sum of said parts, the economy, by logic and definition, cannot be good. therefore, just because the trade window and buttons work and look and feel nice, doesnt mean the actual economy is in a good place. if you cannot understand this, good luck. Last edited by Innuendos#5095 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:39:02 AM	Posted by Innuendos#5095 on Sep 10, 2025, 9:30:56 AM Quote this Post
" t0lkien#7048 wrote: " xpose#1651 wrote: What's the difference in a 10-20 div build that instantly clears maps and bosses and a 100 div build that instantly clears maps and bosses. Min/Max in this game is pretty pointless once you reach the threshold of making all content obsolete. This is the point - for fun. It's why we play isn't it? It's fun to push and grind. I mean ok, I personally don't see a reason to push and grind just for the sake of it when all objectives have been cleared and there are no achievements in this version yet.	Posted by xpose#1651 on Sep 10, 2025, 12:02:43 PM Quote this Post
" t0lkien#7048 wrote: " RefleX666#0250 wrote: I read that you primeraly complain about rmt, 10hr streamers and not enough valuable things that drop for you. That's like 90% of your topic. In the meantime others can earn a lot of currency and craft their BIS gear even as average Joe with a fulltime job. With normal play you can easily get your min-max gear. I agree that the content is to easy but the fact you struggle with the economy is definitely a skill issue. First, that's not quite what I've said. If you are determined to misunderstand, not sure I can fix that. However, you didn't craft BiS gear unless you spent upwards of 100 div for the mats and got lucky on your rolls. I'd suggest what you think is BiS is not even close. Do you have 60% movespeed boots? Is what have good enough? Sure, if you don't want to min/max and have something to chase. And if you don't, then what is there to play for unless you're making lots of different characters? Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't interest me. Fubgun who has arguably the best LA Deadeye character in the game and plays much more and at a much higher level than you or I has said essentially the same thing - you can't make enough currency just mapping, you have to profit craft. And to profit craft you need significant currency (the amulet alone for example will cost you ~20-40 div depending upon your rolls; a top end bow will cost even more at the very least). You don't get that by playing as a normal person, not the way the game is. If you're happy with your self-crafted gear, all power to you. I'm just pointing out how it is for a lot of us. The counter is PoE, where this isn't an issue, and where in fact the economy is one of the strongest parts of the game. Again, I understand that the game is still early access and this is to be expected. But it is what it is. I actually have the 60% MS boots yeah but really wonder where you got the idea from it costs more then 100d. It's not that hard to craft when you don't cry on forums. I have to admit I was lucky with my vaal. I am on my 3rd set of attack speed gloves though so my vaal there isn't working out yet. The point is that you cry about the economy while you are following one of the best builds out there. What are you doing? Crunching PoB numbers all the time? I have been following Fub from the start and swapped to Rue his build later. I have been watching his stream a lot. He has farmed hundreds divine and played more hours than an average Joe will do for an entire league. You think thats why he us a bit burned out now in 0.3 with this bad endgame design? You can definitely earn enough currency by mapping to steadily get towards his character power. He is just doing more hours, simple as that. Same happens in PoE1. If you get fomo from this then you gave a problem. Last edited by RefleX666#0250 on Sep 10, 2025, 1:02:47 PM	Posted by RefleX666#0250 on Sep 10, 2025, 1:01:36 PM Quote this Post
You picked the most overpowered build that everyone knew would be the most played by far. And now your upset that the gear for your build is expensive. This is not an economy problem. You can also easily craft the gear you need to clear the content yourself.	Posted by Nyon#6673 on Sep 10, 2025, 1:12:19 PM Quote this Post