Fucking get your Campaign Length right

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Kerchunk#7797 wrote:

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AlphaIIOmega#6824 wrote:

That's not acceptable...

But, why though?

Like I've never seen any of you guys put together a compelling argument in support of this nonsense. You're perfectly happy to run the same handful of waystones hundreds and thousands of times, but then talk about running the campaign a second time like it's c&b torture. It makes absolutely no sense.

The only difference I see is that you're not scooping endgame loot to get rich on in the campaign. If that really spoils the fun to an "unacceptable" level for you then fine - but don't act like your personal take on this is objective truth. I love running endgame maps but I also absolutely love the campaign - I like getting new passive points to spend and I like getting new massive gear upgrades every 30-60 minutes. The campaign is fun and I have no issue whatsoever with how long it currently takes and would be happy if it took longer.

You guys talk about the campaign like it's just an obstacle between you and the "real game." Again, you have every right to feel that way, but you really need to stop talking about your personal f'ing opinion on the matter like it's just a universally accepted truth because it's absolutely not.

Lets put some things together that distinguish Campaign from Maps. Cause i do can run hundreds of Maps. But Campaign makes me just bored.

- Dopamine: yes getting loot and currency more min Maps does matter.

- Campaign Areas where nothing happens at all. There is Hinekora for example. You do get a lot of rewards and its also long. For me that is fine. But then you have Ngakanu + Heart of the Tribe. Those Areas are huge and take quiet long especially if you die. Which does happen because i lose focus out of boredom. In Ngakanu and Heart of the Tribe there is literally nothing to gain from these areas.
- Hinekoras Areas have 5% Mana, 15 Attributes/15% resistance and 2 Passive Points
- Ngakanu/Heart of ther Tribe: Has nothing except the endboss after half an hour of walking towards it.

Those are just examples. Act 4 Areas really do not have much in terms of actual rewards that stay for the whole game. Most of those are in Hinekora.

- Death is another pretty important thing. If you die which does happen, not everyone has a really broken build, then everything respawns. So you have to fight through it again. Maybe not all of it because of Checkpoints, but some.

- Loot got a lot better with 0.3, before it was really annoying, but the currency gains in Campaign are pretty nice now. Equipment not so much tbh. i keep Equipment for a long time for soemtiems for the whole Campaign because i simply do not find something better. Might just be my luck. I also played Hollow Palm Monk so i didnt even have a weapon. Biggest Updates i got were +Melee Levels on my Equipment.

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Warrax#2850 wrote:

I don't get it, basically they want to do maps straight from level 1 to 99, the same people that complain about towers and endgame in general...okay, not sure if GGG should take your complains seriously tbh but if you want a straight up lifeless character build/generator using current endgame as template, this might not be the game for you and it certaintly won't be in a year when the game will have 6 acts. GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME.

Nobody ever said this. That is straight up a Strawman Argument.

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vexorian#9572 wrote:

By the looks of it, when the campaign is finished, 50% of it will basically be "maps with dialog lines". Like, have you seen Act ? It's completely choose your own path. I doubt 5 and 6 will be more structured than that. It's just maps without the waystone restriction so that you can level up for a while and get more litmus tests.

"Game begins with Endgame" is just not true with this game. Maybe you could arge it begins with Act4, but Acts1 to 3 are fast to do specially on 0.3.0

Its fine for the first or the second time. But if you know everything you basically gain nothing from the Campaign if you paly Endgame for long. So the Campaign is a waste of time. I dont want to waste such a long time on the Campaign. I think 10-12 Hours is okay for me. Thats a time someone can do in a day.

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

I personally dont want to play the Campaign every new League if it stays this long. The Endgame is the start of the actual game. I dont wanna spend 20 Hours doing a Campaign i already know the story of. And a campaign that gives me no value for the endgame in equipment or Currency or almost no Currency. Act 4 takes even longer than Act 3 before the changes.

It doesnt make any sense. Youre not making a Singleplayer Campaign here that gets played through once. Its a campaign people have to play every 4 Months. This is just ass to do every single time.

GGG is gonna find out hard and rough who pays their bills. Hint: it's not the "YEAH BUT I LOVE SUPER MARIO" crowd. They can bend the knee now or bend the knee later. Either way they're going to bend the knee or they're going to lose a shit load of money. Mark this post.

Campain is fun and great part of the game.

When I'm bored I just skip, like every one of my friends do.

By skip I mean you can go to public party, choose map/boss you are interested in.
Then join party, teleport to that map, get a waypoint or kill a boss with a team and boom. Act 3 takes less than searching for the cores and other small things which is about 20-30 min.

Sometimes you need to level up, but overall you can beat campain super fast that way. I did it in 0.2 and I did it now.
Act 1? 1h
Act 2? Also about 1h (You can skip deshar and go to spires right away, skip traitor passage, quarry etc.)
Act 3? It can be done with less than 30 min that way.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 wrote:

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

The Endgame is the start of the actual game.

Show me the law of video game design that states this.
The game starts at level1, and doesn't have a 20 hr forced tutorial like POE1. This is a massive upgrade.

"The game starts at end game" is terrible MMO-brained design that needs stop.

Its literally where people play the most Hours in the Endgame. I am a player that plays a game for a prolonged time. I hate Campaign in every game. The POE 2 Camnpaign is good. But its not so good that i would want to replay it every 4 Months. Its simply too long for that. If you play a singleplayer game, then most people dont paly through the Campaign twice. And the Campaign in thsoe games is often as long if not shorter than POE2 Campaign.

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Avaruus#6657 wrote:

Campain is fun and great part of the game.

When I'm bored I just skip, like every one of my friends do.

By skip I mean you can go to public party, choose map/boss you are interested in.
Then join party, teleport to that map, get a waypoint or kill a boss with a team and boom. Act 3 takes less than searching for the cores and other small things which is about 20-30 min.

Sometimes you need to level up, but overall you can beat campain super fast that way. I did it in 0.2 and I did it now.
Act 1? 1h
Act 2? Also about 1h (You can skip deshar and go to spires right away, skip traitor passage, quarry etc.)
Act 3? It can be done with less than 30 min that way.

2 Things.
- Doesnt work at league start
- you are severely underleveled.

For twinks that works great tho.

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 wrote:

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

The Endgame is the start of the actual game.

Show me the law of video game design that states this.
The game starts at level1, and doesn't have a 20 hr forced tutorial like POE1. This is a massive upgrade.

"The game starts at end game" is terrible MMO-brained design that needs stop.

Its literally where people play the most Hours in the Endgame. I am a player that plays a game for a prolonged time. I hate Campaign in every game. The POE 2 Camnpaign is good. But its not so good that i would want to replay it every 4 Months. Its simply too long for that. If you play a singleplayer game, then most people dont paly through the Campaign twice. And the Campaign in thsoe games is often as long if not shorter than POE2 Campaign.

This is your opinion.
You have FOUR "the game starts at end game" games to play. Go play them, leave people who want a game that starts at level1 at least a single game to play.

Not every game is for you and that's ok.

OP should play mobile games and stop making invalid assumptions this game has to fit his ideas and none others.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 wrote:

This is your opinion.
You have FOUR "the game starts at end game" games to play. Go play them, leave people who want a game that starts at level1 at least a single game to play.

Not every game is for you and that's ok.

We are here in Feedback. And this is my Feedback.

Telling me to play sth. else when i give Feedback is something pretty wild.

I have over 1k Hours in POE2 i dont think the this game is not for you is an argument that makes sense btw.