Fucking get your Campaign Length right

I personally dont want to play the Campaign every new League if it stays this long. The Endgame is the start of the actual game. I dont wanna spend 20 Hours doing a Campaign i already know the story of. And a campaign that gives me no value for the endgame in equipment or Currency or almost no Currency. Act 4 takes even longer than Act 3 before the changes.

It doesnt make any sense. Youre not making a Singleplayer Campaign here that gets played through once. Its a campaign people have to play every 4 Months. This is just ass to do every single time.

Cool tantrum man, but it's perfect and endgame is more of the same thing.

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

The Endgame is the start of the actual game.

It's your mentality problem and you're massively wrong, the game starts from act 1. If you hate this design, you can play Diablo 4.

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Niszczyciel#1619 wrote:

Cool tantrum man, but it's perfect and endgame is more of the same thing.

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

The Endgame is the start of the actual game.

It's your mentality problem and you're massively wrong, the game starts from act 1. If you hate this design, you can play Diablo 4.

The actual game starts in maps. Its always been like that, POE1 or POE2. Thats why people rush through the Campaign. They wanna get to the actual game. The Campaign is the Obstacle you have to get through. I would even say nobody palys the game for the campaign long term. If you come back every league the Campaign doesnt interest you.

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Niszczyciel#1619 wrote:

It's your mentality problem and you're massively wrong, the game starts from act 1. If you hate this design, you can play Diablo 4.

LOL, no. You are the problem, not him.

This guy is absolutely right. The distribution of players completing the campaign in POE2 is MUCH wider than POE1. I wasn't a speedrunner by any sense, but I could put together a build pretty easily in POE1 and complete the campaign in ~6 hours. It wasn't very difficult for me to do that.

In contrast, I can't complete the POE2 campaign in under like 15-20 hours. That's not acceptable for an above average player in a game that requires you to start from Act 1 every single season. And we don't even have all 6 acts yet.

POE2 is either going to have to become a game that doesn't require players to level a new character each league (not a good idea), or it's going to have to find ways to reduce the average time to complete the campaign for the "shorth" player average (the shorth the is the middle 50%, taking out the top and bottom 25%).

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

The Endgame is the start of the actual game.

Not right now it isn't. The endgame is shallow. The vast majority of new work went into the campaign and adding/improving skills that can be used in the campaign.

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AlphaIIOmega#6824 wrote:

That's not acceptable for an above average player in a game that requires you to start from Act 1 every single season.

I have nightmare when I think that after some time I will need to reply this prolonged ACT 3 and 4. When I am doing ACT 1 and 2 it feel good, not too short not too long. Comparing A1/2 to A3/4 is like comparing watching a 1,5h intensive great movie to watching the longest boring series in the world.

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AlphaIIOmega#6824 wrote:

And we don't even have all 6 acts yet.

That's even more terrifying.

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AlphaIIOmega#6824 wrote:

POE2 is either going to have to become a game that doesn't require players to level a new character each league (not a good idea), or it's going to have to find ways to reduce the average time to complete the campaign for the "shorth" player average (the shorth the is the middle 50%, taking out the top and bottom 25%).

First some maps in A3 should be smaller, second the story should be shortened and the same for A4.

Also I would like to see something similar to LE - every league mechanic is also available for Legacy characters or something like in D3 or D4 - finishing story is account bound and you decide if you want to do it again on new character/league. D3/D4 approach would require to make a lvling mechanics and I think using modified maps with forced mechanics like breach, dellirium, abyss would fulfill this campaign void. Additional PP or buffs will be acquired at specific points.

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AlphaIIOmega#6824 wrote:

That's not acceptable...

But, why though?

Like I've never seen any of you guys put together a compelling argument in support of this nonsense. You're perfectly happy to run the same handful of waystones hundreds and thousands of times, but then talk about running the campaign a second time like it's c&b torture. It makes absolutely no sense.

The only difference I see is that you're not scooping endgame loot to get rich on in the campaign. If that really spoils the fun to an "unacceptable" level for you then fine - but don't act like your personal take on this is objective truth. I love running endgame maps but I also absolutely love the campaign - I like getting new passive points to spend and I like getting new massive gear upgrades every 30-60 minutes. The campaign is fun and I have no issue whatsoever with how long it currently takes and would be happy if it took longer.

You guys talk about the campaign like it's just an obstacle between you and the "real game." Again, you have every right to feel that way, but you really need to stop talking about your personal f'ing opinion on the matter like it's just a universally accepted truth because it's absolutely not.

Because you can't skip the fucking cutscenes, that's why. I don't want to watch Sin talk with Geonor, or to see the ride up the the Dreadnaught. I want the bosses dead instantly and to start the area immediately. This is why repeating the campaign is so damn painful.

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new massive gear upgrades every 30-60 minutes

You are either trading or lying

It's entirely too fucking long.
It needs to be cut in half.
Not doing this shit every league, sure as hell never doing a second character.

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MaPpInG iS tHe SaME thInG

Ok perfect, we can drastically shorten the campaign and make everyone happy then.

I don't get it, basically they want to do maps straight from level 1 to 99, the same people that complain about towers and endgame in general...okay, not sure if GGG should take your complains seriously tbh but if you want a straight up lifeless character build/generator using current endgame as template, this might not be the game for you and it certaintly won't be in a year when the game will have 6 acts. GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME.