Kingsmarch Going Core Thoughts

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

where all my shiny toys are. =^[.]^=

It's all about the journey, man. Getting shiny toys will always be more fun than having them. When there's no more progression left, there's no more game left :)

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JunkHeadJoePC#0361 wrote:

Not even close to being true.

We can always chase chickens around Kingsmarch. Forever. It's the only thing that has me hanging on.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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jddc78#1131 wrote:

I guess I'm confused why you think this is mandatory content. Just don't play it. It's going to be side content like Delve, Heist, etc.

If the rewards are toned down, you aren't ever going to need to do it. You'll just do the new thing that makes a load of currency.

Sure, if you get the same amounts of rewards from mapping for one minute as you getting from setting up a ship and some map runners (which takes about a minute), I'll gladly ignore it.

It will always feel a little bit more mandatory than other types of side content, as it's passive income. It will always be ADDITIONAL income on top of your regular gameplay, which will always make it economically stupid to ignore.

There, you are no longer confused.

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jddc78#1131 wrote:

I guess I'm confused why you think this is mandatory content. Just don't play it. It's going to be side content like Delve, Heist, etc.

If the rewards are toned down, you aren't ever going to need to do it. You'll just do the new thing that makes a load of currency.

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jddc78#1131 wrote:

I wish you weren't being such a smartass about it. I think we both agree that the rewards need to be brought down to make it inline with other content. The barrier to entry in gold costs can also be raised.

What you are completely discounting here is the gold costs, which are both a currency sink and an opportunity cost sink. It takes a lot of gold to pay for farmers, disenchanters, & mappers. So it's not really passive. Just the payout is. Using the horticrafting bench is instant. But you have to farm or buy juice to pay for it. You can't buy gold - so it is guaranteed to be a time sink and a full-time effort to acquire enough to pay for all the town activities if you want to get the full benefit.

To your point, if the costs were higher and/or the rewards were lowered, this is a viable piece of SIDE content like everything else.

IMO the only real element of the whole thing that makes this feel mandatory is that there are currently a limited number of gold sinks. During Phrecia, most people spent gold on idols -> not the town. If the mechanic has some form of gold sink then I very much think people will abandon the town and use it towards that instead.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

But you do see the problem here? Idols where more or less the most profitable system we've ever had (close to, at least). THAT'S what it took to compete with the town. But it still took an upgraded town to get to that part. But I still left Phrecia early because of the feeling of having to micromanage my mappers and ships.

But sure, give me an alternative where I can spend my gold on something equally profitable (like idols), and I will not complain.

I still think a passive system that lets you (passively) earn currency while earning currency through regular gameplay is a bad idea in the long run. But I promised myself I wouldn't go all rage/whine mode before seeing how they'll implement it. But if it's even close to how it was in Settlers, I'll probably pass on this league, because of that nagging feeling of "your town, Phrazz, your town, you could be earning mirrors by doing almost nothing". But that "nothing" became too much for me in Phrecia.

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Beavith#5056 wrote:

I want to say they're aware of it

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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Beavith#5056 wrote:

I want to say they're aware of it

I (really!) want to say so too.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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jddc78#1131 wrote:

I wish you weren't being such a smartass about it. I think we both agree that the rewards need to be brought down to make it inline with other content. The barrier to entry in gold costs can also be raised.

What you are completely discounting here is the gold costs, which are both a currency sink and an opportunity cost sink. It takes a lot of gold to pay for farmers, disenchanters, & mappers. So it's not really passive. Just the payout is. Using the horticrafting bench is instant. But you have to farm or buy juice to pay for it. You can't buy gold - so it is guaranteed to be a time sink and a full-time effort to acquire enough to pay for all the town activities if you want to get the full benefit.

To your point, if the costs were higher and/or the rewards were lowered, this is a viable piece of SIDE content like everything else.

IMO the only real element of the whole thing that makes this feel mandatory is that there are currently a limited number of gold sinks. During Phrecia, most people spent gold on idols -> not the town. If the mechanic has some form of gold sink then I very much think people will abandon the town and use it towards that instead.

But you do see the problem here? Idols where more or less the most profitable system we've ever had (close to, at least). THAT'S what it took to compete with the town. But it still took an upgraded town to get to that part. But I still left Phrecia early because of the feeling of having to micromanage my mappers and ships.

But sure, give me an alternative where I can spend my gold on something equally profitable (like idols), and I will not complain.

I still think a passive system that lets you (passively) earn currency while earning currency through regular gameplay is a bad idea in the long run. But I promised myself I wouldn't go all rage/whine mode before seeing how they'll implement it. But if it's even close to how it was in Settlers, I'll probably pass on this league, because of that nagging feeling of "your town, Phrazz, your town, you could be earning mirrors by doing almost nothing". But that "nothing" became too much for me in Phrecia.