A Simple Poll - Exp Loss on Death

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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N3vangel#0037 wrote:

I’m willing to bet the average player doesn’t even realize they lose XP on death.

You can’t remove a core mechanic and expect the game to feel the same. Just think about how you play the campaign when there’s no consequence for dying—does that actually make the game more fun? For me, it’s the opposite. I feel comatose running through the campaign in SC.

That's more of a problem of the campaign being a boring 20-hour slog though, it has nothing to do with exp loss.

Most negative steam reviews mention exp loss as part of the reason they quit, they've lost quite the number of players because of this outdated mechanic. It would be a net positive for the game if it was just deleted/made optional. So many players quitting because of exp loss is just ridiculous and sad. It could all easily be fixed, which is why this and many other threads exist.

We're all giving our feedback to GGG, and they have all the stats themselves anyway. They can 100% see when someone alt+f4s or logs out right after a death that sets them back many hours of mapping exp. Just like how they budged on the whole "1 portal per map" thing, the same will happen here. It may even just be that they didn't have the time yet to address exp, I remember hearing in some video/interview that they planned on having exp loss only begin at lvl90+, so that's one possible change that could happen.

Though obviously the majority has spoken, and we all agree that its best if this outdated mechanic is abandoned and deleted. Or you know, let people choose how they wanna play the game by making it an on/off button in the settings. This is Softcore, not Mediumcore and not Hardcore. Game shouldn't punish people for dying so harshly in the default easiest gamemode lmao

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Most negative steam reviews mention exp loss as part of the reason they quit, they've lost quite the number of players because of this outdated mechanic.

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The_Gadget#2563 wrote:

I did not play POE1 so POE2 was my first experience with GGG. I have played plenty of other games that require grinding so I am no stranger to it. My thoughts on the XP loss:

Should there be XP loss on higher levels? Yes but it should be limited to the XP you have earned on that map or it should be tweaked a bit because it is rather harsh.

I, having leveled a few characters past 90, have a system that seems to work better for me and should help you out.

A. I save all of those +experience waystones, +experience tablets, and untainted paradise maps.

B. I find an area with 3 overlapping towers. I take the shortest path to each tower and juice it with the +experience tablets. I mark one of the towers so I can return later.

C. I play normally until I get past the halfway point of a level. I tend to shy away from "harder" content during the last half of a level to minimize the possibility of dying.

D. When I am about 3-4 bubbles from level, I go back to the +experience juiced area and start clearing using +experience waystones. I will also go back to some of the untainted paradise maps and run those as well.

E. Once I level up, I hit all of that harder content.

While I do agree that the system needs a little tweaking, you can choose to level up or stand there and complain about it. I chose to level.

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DarKWolF90#6544 wrote:

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The_Gadget#2563 wrote:

I did not play POE1 so POE2 was my first experience with GGG. I have played plenty of other games that require grinding so I am no stranger to it. My thoughts on the XP loss:

Should there be XP loss on higher levels? Yes but it should be limited to the XP you have earned on that map or it should be tweaked a bit because it is rather harsh.

I, having leveled a few characters past 90, have a system that seems to work better for me and should help you out.

A. I save all of those +experience waystones, +experience tablets, and untainted paradise maps.

B. I find an area with 3 overlapping towers. I take the shortest path to each tower and juice it with the +experience tablets. I mark one of the towers so I can return later.

C. I play normally until I get past the halfway point of a level. I tend to shy away from "harder" content during the last half of a level to minimize the possibility of dying.

D. When I am about 3-4 bubbles from level, I go back to the +experience juiced area and start clearing using +experience waystones. I will also go back to some of the untainted paradise maps and run those as well.

E. Once I level up, I hit all of that harder content.

While I do agree that the system needs a little tweaking, you can choose to level up or stand there and complain about it. I chose to level.

I feel like i'm gonna get tired eventually of repeating this over and over but Omen of Amelioration is 8-12ex right now (which is more or less the same than what you spend on properly juicing a map)

This reduces penalty to 2% which at lvl 95 is basically one breach on a lvl 82 map.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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DarKWolF90#6544 wrote:

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The_Gadget#2563 wrote:

I did not play POE1 so POE2 was my first experience with GGG. I have played plenty of other games that require grinding so I am no stranger to it. My thoughts on the XP loss:

Should there be XP loss on higher levels? Yes but it should be limited to the XP you have earned on that map or it should be tweaked a bit because it is rather harsh.

I, having leveled a few characters past 90, have a system that seems to work better for me and should help you out.

A. I save all of those +experience waystones, +experience tablets, and untainted paradise maps.

B. I find an area with 3 overlapping towers. I take the shortest path to each tower and juice it with the +experience tablets. I mark one of the towers so I can return later.

C. I play normally until I get past the halfway point of a level. I tend to shy away from "harder" content during the last half of a level to minimize the possibility of dying.

D. When I am about 3-4 bubbles from level, I go back to the +experience juiced area and start clearing using +experience waystones. I will also go back to some of the untainted paradise maps and run those as well.

E. Once I level up, I hit all of that harder content.

While I do agree that the system needs a little tweaking, you can choose to level up or stand there and complain about it. I chose to level.

I feel like i'm gonna get tired eventually of repeating this over and over but Omen of Amelioration is 8-12ex right now (which is more or less the same than what you spend on properly juicing a map)

This reduces penalty to 2% which at lvl 95 is basically one breach on a lvl 82 map.

Omen is a band-aid fix, and it didn't always exist. That's not a valid defense for exp loss. And nobody wants to carry around or have to buy one every time they die thats just a cringe chore and not fun game design.

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DarKWolF90#6544 wrote:

How would you call a mechanic present since day 1 a bandaid fix?

It was literally there for you from the start and they even buffed it.

OMENS ARE THERE FOR YOU TO CARRY AROUND, THATS LITERALLY THEIR PURPOSE AND VALUE. It's 8ex, buy 5, take one each time you need it. If you spend all in one day you're bad and need to improve.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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DarKWolF90#6544 wrote:

How would you call a mechanic present since day 1 a bandaid fix?

It was literally there for you from the start and they even buffed it.

OMENS ARE THERE FOR YOU TO CARRY AROUND, THATS LITERALLY THEIR PURPOSE AND VALUE. It's 8ex, buy 5, take one each time you need it. If you spend all in one day you're bad and need to improve.

Nope, they didn't always exist in PoE 1. They were only added some months ago. Don't really remember when. Either way telling someone to "just use omens" is no solution at all.

The real solution is delete exp loss/make it optional.

It is completely unacceptable for a game in the year 2025 to have such outdated,archaic mechanics.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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DarKWolF90#6544 wrote:

How would you call a mechanic present since day 1 a bandaid fix?

It was literally there for you from the start and they even buffed it.

OMENS ARE THERE FOR YOU TO CARRY AROUND, THATS LITERALLY THEIR PURPOSE AND VALUE. It's 8ex, buy 5, take one each time you need it. If you spend all in one day you're bad and need to improve.

Nope, they didn't always exist in PoE 1. They were only added some months ago. Don't really remember when. Either way telling someone to "just use omens" is no solution at all.

The real solution is delete exp loss/make it optional.

It is completely unacceptable for a game in the year 2025 to have such outdated,archaic mechanics.