The Vision is TRASH.

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

Who is this big influential figure that glazes PoE2? I am curious to see what they say about it.

Apparently, I am not allowed to name a game director...

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Here is how I see community division, if you will, based on the forum posts and everything else. Obviously just my estimations.

~ 60% PoE1 cult-type behavior people
~ 35% Objective-thinking people
~ 5% PoE2 cult-type glazers

What PoE2 really needs, is the middle bunch.

That's, at least, subjective.

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Hornsent#1110 wrote:

In the meanwhile, don't login. Show GGG that you will not play the vision.

It's the most effective way of showing that game direction is bad, since they have metrics etc.

It's reasonable to do it yourself, but to ask other players to do it as well seems childish in nature.

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enslavedemperor#5410 wrote:

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Hornsent#1110 wrote:

In the meanwhile, don't login. Show GGG that you will not play the vision.

It's the most effective way of showing that game direction is bad, since they have metrics etc.

It's reasonable to do it yourself, but to ask other players to do it as well seems childish in nature.

Ever heard of "call for demonstration/resistance"?

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

So, how does it come that a really big influential figure that glazes PoE2 has less influence than all the others?
Shouldn't his influence make ppl change their mind to "Yes. While I didn't have fun with 0.2.0, he said it's actually good, so I keep playing"?.
If the "power" of influencers is true for the "bad side", shouldn't it be true for the "good side" too?

Who is this big influential figure that glazes PoE2? I am curious to see what they say about it.

Also, yes, you are correct. There are people on the other extreme too (I wouldn't call it the good side) that praise PoE2 irrationally. However, I've seen extremely few people doing that.

Here is how I see community division, if you will, based on the forum posts and everything else. Obviously just my estimations.

~ 60% PoE1 cult-type behavior people
~ 35% Objective-thinking people
~ 5% PoE2 cult-type glazers

What PoE2 really needs, is the middle bunch.

Also I am repeatedly hearing the idea that "influental people" or the majority of people should be able to decide how the game develops. Like, no. All that would create would be a power struggle and unnecessary politics for the design of this game and we already have that. Streamers are trashtalking the game for no reason, claiming it's not fun, while that is clearly not the case. But people just have to believe it in order for them to create the effect they want to achieve, whatever that may be.

Game design should not be decided by the majority of people, nor should it be decided by influential people. It should be decided by the game devs and nobody else. It has happened that game devs who have listened to the feedback of the community in early access and adapted the game to it failed because of it and the project got canceled, because of quality diminish. And if you don't like it, go play another game and stop blackmailing (not you whom I quoted, but many others) the devs, diffaming them, calling for them to stop working on the game, review bombing the game and more. This is not an issue for discussion anymore, this has maybe even become a criminal issue and one could maybe even involve the authorities at this point.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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enslavedemperor#5410 wrote:

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Hornsent#1110 wrote:

In the meanwhile, don't login. Show GGG that you will not play the vision.

It's the most effective way of showing that game direction is bad, since they have metrics etc.

It's reasonable to do it yourself, but to ask other players to do it as well seems childish in nature.

Ever heard of "call for demonstration/resistance"?

That action implies reasoning and not ranting.

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enslavedemperor#5410 wrote:

That action implies reasoning and not ranting.

You are not the one to decide if it's "reasoning" or "ranting".
Ever heard of "Freedom of Demonstration"?

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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enslavedemperor#5410 wrote:

That action implies reasoning and not ranting.

You are not the one to decide if it's "reasoning" or "ranting".
Ever heard of "Freedom of Demonstration"?

Based on how they decided to share their thoughts I concluded that, is not really that difficult to see where a person is pointing with their statements, especially with the kind of tone they used.

I repeat, demonstration implies reasoning, something that is very lacking in those comments that have been discussed.

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enslavedemperor#5410 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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enslavedemperor#5410 wrote:

That action implies reasoning and not ranting.

You are not the one to decide if it's "reasoning" or "ranting".
Ever heard of "Freedom of Demonstration"?

Based on how they decided to share their thoughts I concluded that, is not really that difficult to see where a person is pointing with their statements, especially with the kind of tone they used.

I repeat, demonstration implies reasoning, something that is very lacking in those comments that have been discussed.

This is also the main problem I see in these forum threads. You can call the game "trash" and not "fun", but that's not even a valid criticism. It's your opinion and you can have your opinion ofc, but these forums are there to talk about the game and offer valid criticism, not vent steam. You can do that at home towards your wife or mother or whomever.

Calling the game "trash" is not an intelligent opinion, however, and so while it can gain a lot of views and traction, maybe even because of dissatisfaction, often times it leads the opportunity to use this dissatisfaction into directions which are irrational and non-productive. You shouldn't even discuss with a person who calls the game "trash", but we all have to, because of the views and traction those posts get.

But if it was for me, we'd all just ignore those people and live happily, because that's what would happen in any serious debate about anything. Not in video-game development, apparently.

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enslavedemperor#5410 wrote:

I repeat, demonstration implies reasoning, something that is very lacking in those comments that have been discussed.

Implying does not equal "has to".
And guess what, demonstrations don't need to be "reasonable" or "generally shared".

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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enslavedemperor#5410 wrote:

I repeat, demonstration implies reasoning, something that is very lacking in those comments that have been discussed.

Implying does not equal "has to".
And guess what, demonstrations don't need to be "reasonable" or "generally shared".

Dude, just stop it. You stopped giving valid criticism to the game a long time ago.