Steam is going balistic

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

I didn't do that. There are two camps. One with genuine feedback that is productive and resulting from their own experiences. Another who just repeat the popular opinions. Can you agree with this? Surely you have seen me posting my criticisms here as well. When somebody shows up and says "Everything about POE2 is bad lmao", it isn't hard for me to tell you which camp they are in.

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arandan#3174 wrote:

I have played affliction, yes.
The discussion is about base loot, not specific league mechanics, which obviously go away and/or get heavily nerfed. Bit ironic that you're throwing strawmen around when you're the embodiment of one.

Guess what happens next? Something equally broken takes its place. What if it's not 'rewarding' enough? The league is instantly deemed shit and crying ensues.

If the design goal is to reduce the amount of loot, then they have to be careful about buffing now, because they CAN'T take it back. Get it?

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

I didn't do that. There are two camps. One with genuine feedback that is productive and resulting from their own experiences. Another who just repeat the popular opinions. Can you agree with this? Surely you have seen me posting my criticisms here as well. When somebody shows up and says "Everything about POE2 is bad lmao", it isn't hard for me to tell you which camp they are in.

It is, literally, impossible for you to tell what "camp" someone is in based on "PoE2 Bad". If you think otherwise - you have a God complex.

It's such a mindblowing conclusion fallacy...
If the criticism is voiced "genuinely" - it's from a person who thinks for themselves.
If the criticism is voiced "poorly" - it's from a person who does not think for themselves.
That's not how reality works. Someone can parrot "genuine" feedback from a streamer too, while someone who thinks for themselves is just poor with words, thus - poor feedback.
And it's extremely problematic to use the "nah, you are just a sheep" argument to invalidate someone's feedback without being able to prove it.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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arandan#3174 wrote:

I have played affliction, yes.
The discussion is about base loot, not specific league mechanics, which obviously go away and/or get heavily nerfed. Bit ironic that you're throwing strawmen around when you're the embodiment of one.

Guess what happens next? Something equally broken takes its place. What if it's not 'rewarding' enough? The league is instantly deemed shit and crying ensues.

If the design goal is to reduce the amount of loot, then they have to be careful about buffing now, because they CAN'T take it back. Get it?

Ah... so you can take something "back" when it's a league mechanic, but you can't when it's not? Mkay.

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

I didn't do that. There are two camps. One with genuine feedback that is productive and resulting from their own experiences. Another who just repeat the popular opinions. Can you agree with this? Surely you have seen me posting my criticisms here as well. When somebody shows up and says "Everything about POE2 is bad lmao", it isn't hard for me to tell you which camp they are in.

It is, literally, impossible for you to tell what "camp" someone is in based on "PoE2 Bad". If you think otherwise - you have a God complex.

It's such a mindblowing conclusion fallacy...
If the criticism is voiced "genuinely" - it's from a person who thinks for themselves.
If the criticism is voiced "poorly" - it's from a person who does not think for themselves.
That's not how reality works. Someone can parrot "genuine" feedback from a streamer too, while someone who thinks for themselves is just poor with words, thus - poor feedback.
And it's extremely problematic to use the "nah, you are just a sheep" argument to invalidate someone's feedback without being able to prove it.

If someone is regurgitating memes from streams and youtube videos like "power fantasy" and "POE2 BAD" I think its pretty fair to say that they have been influenced by others. I'm ok with making that assumption, personally.

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CovidPatientZero#0332 wrote:

Then you can say the same about those who say
"You don't need to hit lvl 100" "go play POE1 if you want that type of game" "it's a skill problem" "the game doesn't hold your hand" etc. mindless responses typically regurgitated if someone doesn't criticize the game in the correct way

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arandan#3174 wrote:

Have you played kalandra and/or archnemesis? Changes to base loot affect the player base at a whole different level than league mechanics going away.

Not only is the latter expected by the player, but as I've explained already - it is replaced by something else.

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

If someone is regurgitating memes from streams and youtube videos like "power fantasy" and "POE2 BAD" I think its pretty fair to say that they have been influenced by others. I'm ok with making that assumption, personally.

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

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CovidPatientZero#0332 wrote:

Then you can say the same about those who say
"You don't need to hit lvl 100" "go play POE1 if you want that type of game" "it's a skill problem" "the game doesn't hold your hand" etc. mindless responses typically regurgitated if someone doesn't criticize the game in the correct way

Well, when i see someone thats lvl 100 i would like to think they earned that ... People who want this game to be exactly the same as POE1 probably should go play POE1. GGG should make it a priority to maintain their annual schedule of updates for that game instead of neglecting it too.