Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

D2 came out what 30 years ago more or less? Is that really the game a “next gen” arpg should be taking cues from? Lol. Most players of poe2 weren’t even born then. Why aren’t mmorpgs using the systems of the early aughts mmorpgs if the past is where the future lies? Why even make the game 3D maybe we should go back to MUD or something.

My god man come to your senses. The reason mechanics were left by the wayside was that people despised them and they didn’t sell well. This isn’t some hobby project it’s big business and takes investments of 10s to 100s of millions of dollars to create. Smart businessmen (should) run these companies not gamers stuck in the past trying to foist their rose tinted childhood memories onto new audiences.

The game as it is today is not an evolution it’s a devolution and the forums full of angry and traumatized fans who desperately wanted to love it proves that they did something very wrong. The structural issues are unfortunately too large to quickly fix so either this game stays in EA for 2 years or it’s going to be a case study they teach in business school

What is the added value of XP penalty ?
Why is it so special ?

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maquino85#7657 wrote:

D2 came out what 30 years ago more or less? Is that really the game a “next gen” arpg should be taking cues from? Lol. Most players of poe2 weren’t even born then. Why aren’t mmorpgs using the systems of the early aughts mmorpgs if the past is where the future lies? Why even make the game 3D maybe we should go back to MUD or something.

My god man come to your senses. The reason mechanics were left by the wayside was that people despised them and they didn’t sell well. This isn’t some hobby project it’s big business and takes investments of 10s to 100s of millions of dollars to create. Smart businessmen (should) run these companies not gamers stuck in the past trying to foist their rose tinted childhood memories onto new audiences.

Exactly, this game hyper-focusing too much on D2 nostalgia could be the death of it. A live service f2p game relying on mtx purchases can't really survive if its audience is way too niche. Let's hope that doesn't happen though.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

Its not "malicious design" since you are responsible for your playtime. Its kinda amusing how you linked "this issue" to shareholders meeting. Tell me, do you even know what was the agreement made between Tencent and GGG when the deal happened? I mean clearly, you didn't know because, if you did, you won't construct something like what you said above.

Lets face it and be absolutely blunt and critical,this (the quote below)

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

A game blatantly disrespecting the player's time as PoE 2 does atm is completely unacceptable in the year 2025 lmao

Is something of a user issue and is no way a game design flaw. It's a choice if you want to be better on the games that "you like". The direction of your logic and therefor your reason is what I call regression. Instead of trying to improve yourself, you chose the other way around. You disrespect your own time invested by choosing not improve.

No, it's the game that's badly designed. That's an objective fact. And if a game is badly designed, I click the uninstall button and never look back. And I'm not the only one who will do this lol

I ain't gonna play this boring chore of an endgame to get 2 steps forward then go 5 steps backwards cus of death penalties that are cringe,outdated,archaic mechanics. I hate having my progression lost even a bit. It's a waste of time and serves 0 purpose, all that time spent getting exp is for nothing then. I played for nothing. And do you know what that makes people do? It makes them quit the game. That is the game's fault then for making them quit and not being fun.

This game right now is a bad hamster wheel of death penalties coupled with a non-existant "crafting" system that's just a badly disguised gacha.


It's not that people "don't want to improve". It's that the game never gives them that chance, so they leave because they respect their own free time. Quite simple.

Then leave pls if u think its so bad, and while ur at it pls leave forum too so we can put an end to your miserable endless rant.
Its EA ffs nothing is set in stone yet (except xp loss on death) and half the content is missing/not released. We are many that actually enjoy this game and ur so called "objective fact" is neither a fact nor very objective at all and definitely not constructive feedback. Its just and endless rant about core design features that every arpg veteran takes for granted and would be a massive step backwards if they were ever removed

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chosk80#3649 wrote:

Actually the 10% XP loss isn't that bad ( To me because of D2 Reasons).

But then again because I am a D2 Veteran, so when we loss XP on Softcore, it is not 10% . It is a lot more and the time to grind it back is horrendous. Maybe that's the reason why, I didn't feel much XP loss when I die.

I'm somewhere in the middle, as there's no recovery here, what's lost is lost and that's it.

For me personally, I'm not getting younger either, so I can't grind any more the same way I was grinding back then, I'd appreciate a little leniency for that :P.

Since it's an "one and done" situation here, I'd prefer a middle ground and just lose the xp gained during the map played for example, but that's it, don't touch the rest of my bar, if you please.

Point being, I'd be better with losing my "progress" without pushing me backwards as well.

That's pretty much it though, it's an unfortunate steeper grind to do, but if that's what needs to happen, then it needs to happen...

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mrxkon#5764 wrote:

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chosk80#3649 wrote:

Actually the 10% XP loss isn't that bad ( To me because of D2 Reasons).

But then again because I am a D2 Veteran, so when we loss XP on Softcore, it is not 10% . It is a lot more and the time to grind it back is horrendous. Maybe that's the reason why, I didn't feel much XP loss when I die.

I'm somewhere in the middle, as there's no recovery here, what's lost is lost and that's it.

For me personally, I'm not getting younger either, so I can't grind any more the same way I was grinding back then, I'd appreciate a little leniency for that :P.

Since it's an "one and done" situation here, I'd prefer a middle ground and just lose the xp gained during the map played for example, but that's it, don't touch the rest of my bar, if you please.

Point being, I'd be better with losing my "progress" without pushing me backwards though as well.

That's pretty much it though, it's an unfortunate steeper grind to do, but if that's what needs to happen, then it needs to happen...

But that's exactly what it is, you are losing your progress towards the next level. You are not being pushed backwards, you can never lose a level that you have earned.

Systems like this exist for a reason, because games where it is quick and easy to achieve everything are games that are dead.

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

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mrxkon#5764 wrote:

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chosk80#3649 wrote:

Actually the 10% XP loss isn't that bad ( To me because of D2 Reasons).

But then again because I am a D2 Veteran, so when we loss XP on Softcore, it is not 10% . It is a lot more and the time to grind it back is horrendous. Maybe that's the reason why, I didn't feel much XP loss when I die.

I'm somewhere in the middle, as there's no recovery here, what's lost is lost and that's it.

For me personally, I'm not getting younger either, so I can't grind any more the same way I was grinding back then, I'd appreciate a little leniency for that :P.

Since it's an "one and done" situation here, I'd prefer a middle ground and just lose the xp gained during the map played for example, but that's it, don't touch the rest of my bar, if you please.

Point being, I'd be better with losing my "progress" without pushing me backwards though as well.

That's pretty much it though, it's an unfortunate steeper grind to do, but if that's what needs to happen, then it needs to happen...

But that's exactly what it is, you are losing your progress towards the next level. You are not being pushed backwards, you can never lose a level that you have earned.

Systems like this exist for a reason, because games where it is quick and easy to achieve everything are games that are dead.

So XP penalty is the only thing separating POE2 from a quick and easy game?

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Vinsdvalh#0247 wrote:

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

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mrxkon#5764 wrote:

I'm somewhere in the middle, as there's no recovery here, what's lost is lost and that's it.

For me personally, I'm not getting younger either, so I can't grind any more the same way I was grinding back then, I'd appreciate a little leniency for that :P.

Since it's an "one and done" situation here, I'd prefer a middle ground and just lose the xp gained during the map played for example, but that's it, don't touch the rest of my bar, if you please.

Point being, I'd be better with losing my "progress" without pushing me backwards though as well.

That's pretty much it though, it's an unfortunate steeper grind to do, but if that's what needs to happen, then it needs to happen...

But that's exactly what it is, you are losing your progress towards the next level. You are not being pushed backwards, you can never lose a level that you have earned.

Systems like this exist for a reason, because games where it is quick and easy to achieve everything are games that are dead.

So XP penalty is the only thing separating POE2 from a quick and easy game?

It's part of a system, yes. They didn't just come up with the idea randomly. It serves a purpose and serves it well.

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

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mrxkon#5764 wrote:

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chosk80#3649 wrote:

Actually the 10% XP loss isn't that bad ( To me because of D2 Reasons).

But then again because I am a D2 Veteran, so when we loss XP on Softcore, it is not 10% . It is a lot more and the time to grind it back is horrendous. Maybe that's the reason why, I didn't feel much XP loss when I die.

I'm somewhere in the middle, as there's no recovery here, what's lost is lost and that's it.

For me personally, I'm not getting younger either, so I can't grind any more the same way I was grinding back then, I'd appreciate a little leniency for that :P.

Since it's an "one and done" situation here, I'd prefer a middle ground and just lose the xp gained during the map played for example, but that's it, don't touch the rest of my bar, if you please.

Point being, I'd be better with losing my "progress" without pushing me backwards though as well.

That's pretty much it though, it's an unfortunate steeper grind to do, but if that's what needs to happen, then it needs to happen...

But that's exactly what it is, you are losing your progress towards the next level. You are not being pushed backwards, you can never lose a level that you have earned.

Systems like this exist for a reason, because games where it is quick and easy to achieve everything are games that are dead.

That's why I specifically mentioned the last map as a progress.

We have different definitions of progress :), and that's great the more diverse the opinions the better.

My view is that, the endgame is designed around opening more and more maps and exploring the Atlas.

Since we're already nulling the map on death losing the waystone so on so forth, which is perfectly fine with me, we can keep it within the same "context" and just lose the xp gained in there.

See what I'm saying? I get your side also, like I said I don't mind at all if it's gonna be like this, I'm used to it, I'm just saying what I'd prefer nowadays :) .

This isn’t the stroke the devs ego forum, it’s designed for feedback on the game. If you love it so much why are you even here? You clearly have no feedback and love everything about this game so leave. Nobody wants to have some argumentative shill telling them their feedback is wrong every two seconds.