Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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mrfox123#7595 wrote:

Mate, exp-loss is literally something people would forget even existed if it was removed, the time it takes to level is already ridiculous.

ANIMAL MUTILATION IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BEAST. You freaking loon.

do you think a dog would forget about the leg as well? what kid of arguments are these man. ppl are telling you it will trivialize/hurt the game and you just stating you don't care time and time again

Xp loss needs to be in the game i would be happy if they just gave us our 6 portals back on soft core. If there was no xp penalty we would have thousands of zhp glasscannons running around, xp penalty is fine and makes u think twice on ur build decisions removing it will very much trivialize the game

agree, 1-portal is much worse than xp penalty for number of reasons. but justifying removal of xp-loss because we only have 1 portal is terrible

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

bro, go play games that don't have experience loss then. stop trying to hack shit away from a game just because you can;t cope with it. there is not a single good argument against XP loss here. there is a reason why 95+ has log scale xp increase and EVEN with that it was and always will be possible to reach 100. fucking kids with fomo and participation awards man

No, its unacceptable that any modern game has such horrendous mechanics that waste hours of your time. We will continue complaining until GGG changes it, that's how PoE 1 became the game it is today, and the reason PoE 2 even had the opportunity to be made. Because of the community.

"Just go play something else" is a bad mentality and solves nothing. All you're doing is chasing away players and potential revenue for GGG by being a gatekeeper. They are losing some of their most dedicated long-time players by the day because of all these bad design decisions in this game.

Just to set things straight. Poe 1 has 10% xp loss in any map or endgame area including a 5% xp loss from act 6-10 and it will never be removed so u will be complaining to the end of days

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mrfox123#7595 wrote:

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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mrfox123#7595 wrote:

Mate, exp-loss is literally something people would forget even existed if it was removed, the time it takes to level is already ridiculous.

ANIMAL MUTILATION IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BEAST. You freaking loon.

do you think a dog would forget about the leg as well? what kid of arguments are these man. ppl are telling you it will trivialize/hurt the game and you just stating you don't care time and time again

A dog, is a sentient being.

Path of exile is not.

Legitimately, seek help for thinking that these are in any way comparable.

i'm not the one defending mutilation of any being. if you want to mutilate something do it out of my sight please

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

Removing -ANY- death punishment is bad for the game, leaving it crippled.

-You guys can't understand why it's a core game feature.

-You guys can't understand why it would be bad for the game to remove it.

-You guys want to change the game into something it's not, imagining possible outcomes that are only fantasies.

-You guys don't understand how and why people can enjoy things as they are, here and now, in reality ; trying to explain it to you in so many ways.

Just try to understand.

It's because I understand that I think the exp-loss is pointless.

Do you know what this game is? It's certainly not POE1, they made this game in mind to have it more accessible to wider audience. These systems just push them away instead, is this what they want? Who knows.

We are here just discussing the xp-loss, not other punishments. I doubt even GGG knows what they are going for (It's EA, things change), nor do we here. We are just expressing our opinions.

The EA is here to discover what works and does not.

All I know so far anyone has yet to prove xp-loss actually has a purpose of it's own that is not just adding up to what the game itself already does. By the time the xp-loss is relevant, your build is pretty much already 95% built. And it does not affect the early game. Meaning, it does not affect your decision making of the build you are going for.

Everything said is unrelated to the system itself, but instead it's the balance of the game or just because its 'tradition'

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

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mrfox123#7595 wrote:

PoE would survive perfectly fine without the exp-loss that deletes hours of peoples time.

And quite frankly, can't recommend either of these games to anyone due to the sadistic nature of the devs to left these in

That's not how time works. GGG aren't chronomasters stealing time.

First, YOU spend time playing a video game. Period. You chose it.
Time spent is time spent. Sometimes your toon progress, sometimes it doesn't, depending on many factory.
It's only up to YOU to enjoy the time spent, or not.

Now, if you keep spending time AND not enjoying it, then guess who is masochist ? Is it GGG fault ? Are they forcing you are gun point to do something you hate ? I think not.

What kind of logic is that? No, if you die after mapping for 10 hours and you lose exp, its absolutely on the devs that such a thing exists in a game. Your time has been wasted for no good reason.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

That's not how time works. GGG aren't chronomasters stealing time.

First, YOU spend time playing a video game. Period. You chose it.
Time spent is time spent. Sometimes your toon progress, sometimes it doesn't, depending on many factory.
It's only up to YOU to enjoy the time spent, or not.

Now, if you keep spending time AND not enjoying it, then guess who is masochist ? Is it GGG fault ? Are they forcing you are gun point to do something you hate ? I think not.

What kind of logic is that? No, if you die after mapping for 10 hours and you lose exp, its absolutely on the devs that such a thing exists in a game. Your time has been wasted for no good reason.

if you feel bad about 'wasting' your time by playing the game, maybe do something else?

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

if you feel bad about 'wasting' your time by playing the game, maybe do something else?

No. "Just play another game" isn't an argument nor an excuse for bad game design. If a game has failed you and made you quit and play another one, that's a failure of game design. This is a feedback forum, and I'm giving my feedback on how to improve the game. And GGG's intention with PoE 2 was to be more "accessible" to players anyway, right now it couldn't be further from that lmao

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

That's not how time works. GGG aren't chronomasters stealing time.

First, YOU spend time playing a video game. Period. You chose it.
Time spent is time spent. Sometimes your toon progress, sometimes it doesn't, depending on many factory.
It's only up to YOU to enjoy the time spent, or not.

Now, if you keep spending time AND not enjoying it, then guess who is masochist ? Is it GGG fault ? Are they forcing you are gun point to do something you hate ? I think not.

What kind of logic is that? No, if you die after mapping for 10 hours and you lose exp, its absolutely on the devs that such a thing exists in a game. Your time has been wasted for no good reason.

if you feel bad about 'wasting' your time by playing the game, maybe do something else?

That's exactly the problem. You will do something else, like playing another game because the system is wasting your time.

If you're really wondering why that is the case, use your brain for once. You play game to escape reality, if the game "rejects" you. You will get frustrated, and eventually just leave.

That's literally why we are having this discussion.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

No. "Just play another game" isn't an argument nor an excuse for bad game design. If a game has failed you and made you quit and play another one, that's a failure of game design. This is a feedback forum, and I'm giving my feedback on how to improve the game. And GGG's intention with PoE 2 was to be more "accessible" to players anyway, right now it couldn't be further from that lmao

Some people seem to have a hard time understanding that if you've invested a lot of time into something, it's not that simple to just give it up. Why do you have to explain such obvious things to people?

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

What kind of logic is that? No, if you die after mapping for 10 hours and you lose exp, its absolutely on the devs that such a thing exists in a game. Your time has been wasted for no good reason.

But did you REALLY lose 10h of mapping ? No you didn't. You lost some XP, which is a tiny part of what you earned in 10h ; inclufing fun.

The only real question is : did you have fun during these 10h ?
If you didn't, WHY did you do it ? GGG forced you to ?